I mean you have me up to the point where you say the oceans can’t function as a perpetual heat sink for our maleficence. The oceans should be able to continue absorbing the excess heat. The amount of water is staggering. Over time the heat would be dissipated and the oceanic temperature would increase but not enough to make any sort of difference. There’s just too much water. It completely overwhelms any effect CO2 could have either directly or indirectly.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 1 points 2 hours ago

The oceans heating up is half of the problem, that's the cause of a lot of the extreme weather increases.

[–] oyzmo@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why is the US pure evil? ... they have become 10x the cliche 80's supervillain. Where is our hero?

[–] story@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

we keep imprisoning or killing him

[–] mracton@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago

We don’t want our next military leaders to know about potential threats while maintaining and mobilizing our forces, apparently.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 3 points 2 days ago

We’re a military institution. We follow orders

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

West Point: Dumb, Hicks, Chortling

[+] DrStanleyGoodspeed@lemmy.zip -20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I’m just gonna leave this here, “water vapor is Earth's most abundant and important greenhouse gas.” Do with that what you will

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm just gonna leave this here:

All the previous warming events, which occurred over thousands of years, in the geological records were followed by mass extinction events. The current warming event is warming at rates never before seen, and has happened within 150 years; with the larger portion of the warming within the last 50 years. All of it aligning perfectly with the industrial revolution and human activity.

Do with that what you will.

[–] DrStanleyGoodspeed@lemmy.zip -2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I’m not denying the climate is changing. I’m just saying CO2 is not the culprit. It may very well be because of something we are doing, but it is not CO2 doing it. It makes absolutely no sense man. It’s such a small component, and its effects are negligible compared to water vapor. It would be the tail wagging the dog.

Now a more convincing argument would be the direct release of heat from combustion that is constantly occurring or the local effects from urbanization. Maybe we are causing more water vapor? Idk because no one is even looking at this stuff. I just know that the CO2 we release is not doing it. Not a chance.

Undersea volcanic activity has also been steadily increasing for about the past century.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I’m just saying CO2 is not the culprit. It may very well be because of something we are doing, but it is not CO2 doing it.

It is. All the data shows it. It's known that it functions like a greenhouse gas. It traps in heat in the atmosphere that would have normally been radiated away into space.

The part you're missing is that heat was being trapped for a very long time, and because large heat gradients don't just sit in one place, that heat didn't just stay in the air. And water is a extremely good heat sink. So all that heat that's been trapped in by CO2 has been charging up the oceans over the decades. But we're at the tipping point now where the oceans can't pull in anymore, so that heat is staying in the air longer and longer. And hotter air holds more moisture, which makes the air "thirstier" and starts to pull out moisture from vegetation and trees. And then you have drier and more combustible stuff, thus more and more wildfires.

Now the heat in the ocean is hitting a point where it's radiating back out, that means a ton more moisture going into the atmosphere. And higher the humidity the more literal energy that air holds. And that means more frequent and stronger tornados, hurricanes, storms, wetter winters in some areas and colder drier in others. And so on.

Water vapour does have an impact, but it's a condensing agent. The more of it in the atmosphere, the more it wants to condense and get out of the atmosphere. It naturally has a equalizing effect, which is why earth's temps have been extremely stable over long periods. The rate of warming in the past 50 years cannot be explained by water vapour, there had to be an ongoing catalyst to force the temps higher and higher, otherwise the water vapour would condense faster and equalize.

The catalyst is CO2.

[–] DrStanleyGoodspeed@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago

I replied to the wrong thing. You may be right. CO2 may be playing a big part, but I just don’t think it’s the whole story. There is something else that is rocking the boat so to speak. CO2 just isn’t enough and there is legit data that contradicts the narrative of a pure CO2 driven change.

[–] Initech_vs_Initrode@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

Oh, neat, so is it all of the kettles in Britain that caused the global temperature spike since industrialization?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago

this is why the heat increase from CO2e increases is roughly linear and not logarithmic.

The CO2 emissions juice the water vapour in the atmosphere by at least 7% per 1C making everything MUCH worse, including storms.

Extra water vapour in the atmosphere is a feedback loop from the heating from extra CO2e

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Which might be part of why heat goes faster up than predictions thought.