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Even worse, apparently only a single base had all the supplies for it. That was a single point of failure that, when struck, caused the failure of the entire supply mission.
You'd think the Navy would be a little better prepared. Here I thought redundancy was an important part of military conduct and operations.
Prior to this clown show, the Navy was. Logistics has been THE biggest thing about the US military that has set it apart from the rest of the world, for the last 80+ years.
That's gone down the shitter with these buffoons in charge. That's what happens when you put an alcoholic TV host in charge of the military.
What’s the quote? Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics?
There's that one and "Tactics win battles, logistics wins wars".
As long as you keep people fed, clothed and moderately comfortable, they'll fight anyone, anywhere for you.
The US military as a whole was basically a logistics company that shot people. That was the main thing that kept the United States such a high rate military power.
Then they replaced a General who understood that with a Former Major who thinks the Army runs on testosterone and crusader rhetoric and now everyone's surprised everything has gone to shit?
Yeah, the logistics behind the military were honestly staggering. There was an old joke about how the US military could get a fully operational (built, supplied, and staffed with trained crew) McDonalds anywhere in the planet within 48 hours. Except that it wasn’t really a joke. If the military wanted to, they probably could.
The sheer scale behind the military’s logistics was so vast that people have trouble comprehending it. The same way people have trouble wrapping their mind around how big a billion of something is. Conceptually they may know how big it is, but actually putting it into practice is too large for any one person to truly comprehend. It’s the old “a million seconds is 11 days, a billion seconds is almost 32 years” problem, where the human brain simply isn’t designed to comprehend the sheer scale of something that large in a realistic way. Every comparison we make ends up with people devolving back into concepts in order to keep track of it in their mind.
And we’ve seen all of it begin to unravel in only a few years, because the POTUS has surrounded himself by Yes Men instead of competent leaders. It’s the same way so many despots and dictators have historically been brought low… They surround themselves in Yes Men, and nobody wants to be the one to break the bad news. So the leader is kept blissfully ignorant, while everything crumbles around them. And then they’re shocked when they have angry mobs and/or a coup d’état.
It wasn't a joke. During the initial invasion of Afghanistan, one of the first pieces of infrastructure was a self-contained Burger King truck. Airdropped in on a C-130.
Even way back, one of the biggest things during the Pacific Theater in WWII was the fact that the US had three ships dedicated just to transporting frozen and refrigerated foods, so that the troops had fresh food. The ships colloquially became known as ice cream barges because they had the capability to make a ton of ice cream. The Americans in the Pacific were eating fresh meat and ice cream, while the Japanese soldiers were eating shitty rations. It was a major morale killer for the Imperial Japanese.
Dammit, you dropped the two pieces of trivia I wanted to! hehe
The only other one I can think of is also from WWII, where the Germans became aware that Americans were sending things like birthday cakes to their soldiers - that would arrive before spoiling, indicating how good the supply chain was, and no only for weapons, but enough room for personal items like that.
Yeah that was a huge part of it.
What modern Republicans would call a “waste” was a major form of power projection.
It was a signal. “We are so strong that we can send our troops shit like cake to keep them happy and fed. You’re eating slop and wearing torn boots. We’ve already won.”
Not only did it boost American troops morale, but it crushed the enemy morale.
An enemy that feels they’ve already lost because of the massive machine coming towards them is easier to beat than a motivated enemy that can smell the incompetence from a mile away.
It's like the old anecdote about Kruschev seeing full grocery stores and realizing how far the US was ahead.
When did they airdrop one? Only picture I can find is one rolling off the back of a landed C-17. Airdropping stuff is far more fun.
I'm not trying to be overly pedantic but we deploy Burger Kings from. AC-130s. Not Mc trash
(We actually do use C-17 Globemaster III cargo planes to deliver containerized burger kings though)
From a C-130 perhaps although I think it was a C-17, not an AC-130
The US military base in Bahrain was there for much longer than the administration. While it may have been sufficient for operations in Iraq, it makes absolutely no sense to supply an aircraft carrier operating outside the Persian Gulf from within the Persian Gulf... I don't understand how any planners thought this made sense. They knew Iran could shut off or severely endanger passage of the Hormuz straight.
How could the base resupply the Lincoln even if it wasn't destroyed? Did the US really have no logistical capabilities in the Arabian Sea? They have facilities in Djibouti and Oman.
I think we are letting Hegseth's stupidity take the fall for a clear diplomatic or military planning failure.
They knew Bahrain was a problem and therefore moved operations to Diego Garcia, which is further away. Djibouti can be hit from Yemen, where the Iranian allied Houthis are after all. However then Diego Garcia was hit as well. They did not destroy too much, but the Navy moved logistics further away. However that would have pulled Lincoln out of combat range. Otherwise it would have to stay in place in range of Iranian missiles. Iran hitting an aircraft carrier would have been a massive issue.
So apparently they believed it was smarter to keep it in the fight, since Trump was going to end the war in a few days anyway since a few months now.
This is why the US used to avoid going to war with Iran. They knew it would turn into a shit show.
You're right, it's not Hegseths fault. It's his fault + all the Republicans enabling the destruction of america + all of the dumbest people in charge, who's only qualifying feature is making Trump richer.
I'm sure the original navy would have been, but they fired everyone and replaced them with yes men.
men he can get his hand on thier testosterone results.
We’re certainly paying for redundancy. If we’re not getting it then we should halve the budget.
It's quite something seeing one of the most powerful logistic operations in human history get run into the ground by idiots who think logistics is woke dei
turns out getting a tv presenter to run your military isn't the master plan we all thought it was
He has redundancy of course, plan B (Bacardi), plan C (Captain Morgan)...
D: Daiquiri
E: Ever-clear
F: Fireball
G: Goldschläger
H: High Noon
J: Jägermeister
I wonder if the teams behind games like Civilization are taking notes on all this. I like to imagine some of these headlines were tossed around in board meetings a decade+ ago, and turned down cause they were "too outlandish, no one would actually do" them
This already happens in civ. Its the I forgot to upgrade this unit problem.
This is so stupid. This fucking guy never should have been anywhere near in charge. Cant someone convince him to get in a shoddy submarine near the titantic?
if you seen his military career, he was f-up. apparently as a infantry officer he was suppose to go to ranger school in order to train for command positions if they wanted to advanced thier careers, his own command doesnt trust him and deemed him a threat.
Backup excuses:
"This is the War Department not the Supplies Department."
"We had to avert a potentially disastrous Liberal Media panic."
"Hey, look over there - illegal Mexicans!"
Honestly I thought he just forgot
Alcoholic blackout, no less
he has a glamour room in the pentagon all to himself, and strapping men where he tests thier testosterone levels.
He tests their testosterone levels by cupping their balls, and feeling their weight. RFK Jr. taught them how to do it, he's been doing it for years. They had a late night session in the Oval Office, where they all practiced it on each other. Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller had the smallest balls, tiny really, and he cried when they all made fun of his mini pee pee. Good times, good times...
Weird that your adversaries would know to do this after letting our adversaries access your top secret files
Iran didn't have to pull any secret intelligence here. The bases where always sitting ducks. Hegseth's biggest mistake was falling for the propaganda. The modern US military is a decorative facade set up to enrich contractors and keep otherwise troublesome youth's off the streets, under no circumstances should it ever be used to fight wars.
And I don't doubt that the USA could spin themselves up as the most powerful military force again, really quickly... But they haven't. They are engaging in an arms length war with the attitude of "everything is fine, nothing has changed"
In order to do that you have to have the ability to manufacture your weapons entirely at home, at scale. We dont just not do that, we actively made it bureacratically impossible to do in order to allow a small group of very wealthy businesses have exclusive manufacuring rights to thse very advanced weapon systems. Hell some of our best most powerful weapons are a subscription service.
Just watch Hegseth preen and pour for the camera and it's pretty clear he belongs as an idol singer or stripper.
It's almost like he was picked for his lack of experience and low self-esteem. Bye america, it was a good run (although there is still time, but still not much serious movement).
This... CAN'T be true can it? If so it's inexcusable.
How is this something he can cause by "hiding a fact"? Does it take Trump's signature to resupply that ship?
they arnt reporitng all those bases that are destroyed, its a bad look on republican supporters, and would be "future cannon fodder".
Riding the titanic to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean would be a better option.