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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I dont agree with the premise of this article at all. The party absolutely does have a base, and the base wants social justice and economic opportunity. Thats universal and obvious. Thats more than enough right there create a platform around without reaching to the fringes like pro lifers, gun nuts and zionists. Josh Marshall who runs that blog is a zionist so maybe thats what he is talking about. He wants to pretend there is no unifying philsophy amongst Dem voters, so theres room for "centrist' nuttery in the party, and room for tacit war crimes supporting nuts like himself. There is not, because of our strong base drive toward social justice.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Exactly. Its utterly fucking ridiculous to suggest that there isn't a Democratic base. Its just that the base has been at odds with party leadership for 10 years.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Not only does the Democratic Party have a base, its base is larger and more loyal than those of almost any other party in the world, even in other two-party systems. Voter loyalty in general is extremely high in the US, which is one of the major issues that has led to the current constitutional crisis.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I disagree with the premise of the article also, but for different reasons. The Democratic Party does have a base, a large one. But, much of that base is indifferent to politics. They simply don't care, because they think they're screwed no matter who's in charge. (Of course, your average poster here is an exception, but let's face it, I can count every single one of us if I take off my shoes and use my toes along with my fingers).

Couple this with our system that partitions off the country into safe, gerrymandered seats (where the primary election that hardly anyone votes in is the critical one), and you get a system where a minority of attentive people can win elections against a majority of apathetic people. And if there's is one thing the Conservative Cinematic Universe does well, it's holding their people's attention by spreading attractive, convenient lies on the TV.

Ultimately, the problem with today's Democrats is that they value truth, and sometimes the truth isn't all that interesting. They will always be at a disadvantage when the other side can lie with impunity, and their voters not only dont mind, but ask for more lies because they validate their worldview.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

Why does this matter? Certainly every party or large societal group has various factions and pressure groups. It matters because lots of groups have the sense that the Democratic Party is fundamentally theirs or that they should have some pride of place in its direction. But in a purely descriptive sense this is simply not true. And that leads to what we might call chronic discourses of betrayal running through all its factional struggles. We’re seeing one of those now, unfolding in multiple directions.

Every other democracy on the planet figured this out a century or more ago, with party pluralism through proportional representation. Instead we have a defacto two party system, due to our winner-take-all, first past the post elections. In any other democracy, social democrats ("progressives" in the US) would have their own party, the liberals ("centrists, moderates or establishment Democrats in the US) would have their own party, and socialists/Democratic socialists would have a party. There would likely be a labor party, and a green party. Here, just the Democrats. That's it. All of those ideological groups competing for control of one party.

This country is such bullshit. My whole fucking life I've been fed this crap about the unparalleled virtues of our glorious, enlightened, liberal representative democracy. But it's a crock. Millions of us have no representation. Sure, there is a member of the House and Two senators in Congress who are supposed to represent me and every other American in my congressional district and state, respectively, but I didn't vote for any of them. The candidates I did vote for all lost. The candidates who won don't represent me. They don't represent my values, my beliefs, my morals, my ideals. No one does. Representative democracy my ass.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 days ago

71% of the party voted for progressive Platner in Maine. His politics got the most votes ever in a Democratic primary. We don't have to worry about nationwide definitions of 'base' in this instance to argue about who deserves special deference from party leaders.

And I have a hard time believing this piece would EVER get promoted when people talk about "black voters are the base", which is almost always only used to justify white centrists rather than, say, police reform. But for some reason it's important to establish when progressives in 3% black Maine win a landslide and then ask for recognition by their own party leadership.

The reality is that party leadership has basically never represented any of these bases. The demographic that leadership represents extremely well is big money donors. Judging by leadership, that's the real base. They're the group that must always be catered to and whose loss they'd see as a 5 alarm fire.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

To pick just one of potentially countless examples, white liberals are among the least churched people in American society. Black people are among the most churched. And they are key pillars of the same party.

One can also argue that the modern Democratic Party is a basically female party. Its voters are disproportionately female. Its mores, iconography, ideas about power, aggression, empathy are increasingly gendered, whereas the GOP is increasingly organized around a kind of hyper-masculinity, or, less generously, rapists. But again, this can’t be a party base since a huge minority of women consistently vote Republican.

"There is no one single race gender or religion that dominates this group, so they're too difficult for me to describe and basically may as well not exist."

Dear Liberals, I know watching a handful of socialists win Democratic party primaries has been very difficult for you, but the whole "we can have a multicultural society and universal human rights (because that means more kinds of customers for my business!)" thing was like the one thing you got right, so maybe take a deep breath and log off for a bit, hm?

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Untied States needs all new political parties

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The United States needs an all new political system that would allow new political parties to have a chance

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Ranked choice voting. That's what Canada needs too.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 days ago

the greens are alright

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do not worry, the DNC found the anti-AIPAC party member in their midst and got rid of him without prejudice, stopping just short of a televised actual beheading. Their base is clean once again.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 days ago

How dare you bring up the uncomfortable truth that no one wants to acknowledge?!?