We need to bring back actual learning. Sorry, but an accredited source will always be better than anything emerging from nazi owned X.com.
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It's not elitism. It's fucking fact. Someone trained in a discipline knows more about said discipline than someone who isn't
Not to say that you're wrong, but this is a dangerous argument. There are a FUCKTON of antivax nurses and numerous antivax doctors.
Yogo moms are a universally bad source, but even 'credible' sources suffer the appeal to authority fallacy .
No, don't just blindly believe professionals either.
Cause some of them a assholes who try to sow discord for their own personal profit.
Like Andrew Wakefield, who started the whole "Vaccines cause autism!" fraud, because he wanted to sell shit that would benefit from the distrust he was creating and thought undermining faith in existing medicine would be a great marketing ploy.
and theres been tons of famous, formerly reputable doctors since, that have put down their ethics and picked up the snake oil since then. Like Mehmet Oz.
I have had pharmacists refuse to hand over the script after asking a few questions because it turned out the prescribing doctor was actually very incredibly dangerously wrong.
It's only going to get worst. I am already seeing those at work double check anything you say against an LLM and they come back with some version of well ChatGPT says... They don't realize how much of a sycophant LLMs can be and if you ask a question a certain way it will just agree with you and find some kind of BS data to back you up.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: this kind of "elitism" is literally just division of labor which is basically required for a modern society to function.
Look, I have no qualifications at all, but I did read a blog post. So I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about
Well at least you've read something which puts you ahead of most anti-vaxxers, who just rely on Facebook videos.
I hate to disagree with you, but I'be honestly got a feeling and I can't think of a better reason than that.
Why don't we structure our political systems around the scientific method? That is all of the policies are testable and the goal is the optimization of the HDI, GDPPP, and environmental impact. Why employ policies based on beliefs or feelings when we can just test them.
Not just influencers, but also politicians and news media. I have a master's degree in statistics, and it's not at all uncommon for politicians and media to misrepresent scientific results. Correlation does not equal causation. If a study hasn't been peer reviewed, I wouldn't say that it proves anything just yet. Studies on a non-representative sample aren't generalizeable to the population as a whole. And so on..
And science is more about disproving things anyway. It's more of a "this is the best we can tell right now, given the information and observations we currently have"
Not "zomg vaccines cause puppy deaths! My dog died after getting hit by a car but wouldn't have if he hadn't been vaccinated! See? I proved it!"
As someone who is an expert in one area and as dependent as anyone else in others, and who also hates appeals to authority -
To me, the correct stance is that any should be able to question things that don't make intuitive sense or that one suspects might be a perspective motivated by financial considerations instead of expertise.
Note that I said question. Not invent your own replacement fever-dream explanation.
Questions require good-faith attempts to find information and understand.
Not pitch something where its main virtue is that it makes ignorance feel good actually.
I generally agree, but there is a level of ignorance where you don't even really know what questions to ask, and subjects complicated enough that you just aren't equipped to understand an answer without needing a lot of background education first because they just aren't intuitive at all by nature. At that point, is there really much value in asking the question?
Determining where that line is is hard sometimes, but I do think it's there.
Asking questions doesn't hurt. If the answer still confuses someone, they then need the humility to admit it instead of covering their ears and yelling "I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
This breaks down pretty quickly though because laypeople fundamentally don't engage with the world scientifically. The default mode is "can I believe this" but science requires "have I excluded everything else". The former feels like the job is done, so why put in more work?
There's a reason peer reviewed studies are so important.
It's literally other people with knowledge on the subject questioning the results of a study until everyone agrees to the conclusion.
It's not just one person pulling something out of their ass and saying "Look! This thing!" and everyone just going along with it. It's questioned and proven multiple times.
I just want people to trust. Being skeptical and wanting to learn is perfectly fine, but also, people do go to school for these things for years, you know? Have a little a faith they aren't lying to you.
By "you" I just mean people generally, of course.
You're both spot on. We live in a deliberately low trust society with grief merchants heckling experts for the sole intention of division.
I don't know how we can get back to a high trust society, but it did exist once, and I think the first step to it is education and the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine in the media
I dont mind if people stream but sometimes the exaggerated thumbnails with their stupid exaggerated expressions is so fucking weird. Like it smells like LOOK AT ME.
Use the "dearrow" browser expansion. It's a game changer
Good luck making the pigs stop eating slop
Capitalism has been grooming its people to be the piggiest pigs for decades.
We need to start tellingmtjmem to close their mouths because we dont want to smell the shot in them whenever the pigs start talking.
they basically started the whole pseudoscience movements, a couple of fake diseases: morgellans, Chronic lyme was all coined by midwestern moms having psychosomatic, delusional parasitosis events. i went to other forums, and the symptoms they described are not of infectious diseases, by some mental illness they describing.
Maybe we shouldn't perpetuate dunning-krugerization such that everyone feels they fully understand the effects of a magnetosphere on orbital mechanics after a one paragraph explanation. The sense of 'ownership' and 'mastery' people seem to have of a field after ~~ingesting~~ licking like two facts is really disappointing.
Based on what I see in this thread, I find more of an issue to be media. Mainstream media can walk the line of truth and falsehood and make people think a certain way. Anyone who sees that can be redirected to an online source, which can be anybody from Jane/John Infantbrain to legitimate scientists. Being an influencer doesn't preclude being a specialist, academic, etc., but the average person isn't going to determine or care for the difference.
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