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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Killing people is wrong.

But you have only a couple of choices when someone wrong shows up to kill you.

  • Give in and let them take you over, maybe they kill you

  • Put up a fight, possibly killing them, possibly killing you

The military is necessarily bad because humans are necessarily bad. If everyone could just train to defend themselves and agree not to use the military on it's own citizens, it would be a closer to neutral

[–] Bababasti@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Humans are not necessarily bad. Working together in tough times is what made humans evolutionary wise superior and still does. It is power that makes humans bad. And more power even more so. Or how some English Lord put it:

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 hours ago

humans have fought wars for longer than our recorded history, you can't blame it all on fools seeking concepts of power. hell, we were fighting back when we were still apes swinging from trees.

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

Tell that to the people of Ukraine...

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

People of Ukraine know better than most that killing is bad and war is bad

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Except your forgetting the final part of the quote. But please, feel free to tell the members of Ukraine's military " they're evil" 🙄

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's actually now what the final quote is. The military is an evil institution. The members are not necessarily. Like, in Ukraine case, people are defending their country from invading genocidal force. That's not evil, quite noble even. The concept of military however is.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, this!

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[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Violence literally just creates more violence.

Like this stupid pointless fucking Iraq war. Even if dumbfuck somehow "wins", which its clear will never happen, do they not realize all the destruction done by the US is just going to create yet another ISIS/Al Queda/whatever style terrorist organization as retatiation?

Then it'll be "oh boy, gotta kill more brown people in the desert!"

Wash, rinse, repeat...

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 17 hours ago (5 children)
[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago

Thank you. I was about to sadly check the news.

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[–] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder where all of those pacifist countries went...

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

A nonviolent state is an oxymoron

[–] Bababasti@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago

Based an anarchist-pilled.

[–] core@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

itt: people justifying why their institution of mass murder is actually good

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago

To protect from that other persons institution of mass murder. OBV.

[–] Beehaw_Girl@beehaw.org 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

He's not wrong, but oops I joined the army at age 18 because DAMN these sweet military benefits are taking care of me for LIFE.

[–] SectoidLexi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 14 hours ago

Cool just casually brag about benefitting off of murdering brown people. I hope you get blown to pieces in the next war you soulless fucking husk.

[–] kuerbiskernoel@feddit.org 1 points 14 hours ago

Which benefits does it grant you?

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

A very privileged opinion from a person sheltered by the harsh realities of human nature and the universe in general. Revel in your ignorance.

The responses to this post have kinda proven its point. Even when self defense is necessary, killing people is bad, war is bad, and the military is evil. Violence will never be a favorable thing, even if it is unavoidable, and it is never something we can take lightly or promote as a banal part of life. The only way we should consider violence in our daily life is to reaffirm why we need to toil to make society fair and just. Minimizing the drivers of conflict is more effective at stopping it than people want to accept.

Injustice being inevitable is not an excuse to sneer at those who want to combat it. The moment you accept it as immutable is the moment that you start to perpetuate it.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

I mean self-defense is not bad. US is just not defending itself from anyone.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 points 17 hours ago

Self-defense from a self inflicted problem though?

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