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Members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol have warned America for three years to take former President Donald Trump at his word.

Now, as Trump is poised to win the Republican presidential nomination, his criminal trials face delays that could stall them past Election Day, and his rhetoric grows increasingly authoritarian, some of those lawmakers find themselves following their own advice.

In mid-March, Trump said on social media that the committee members should be jailed. In December he vowed to be a dictator on “day one.” In August, he said he would “have no choice” but to lock up his political opponents.

“If he intends to eliminate our constitutional system and start arresting his political enemies, I guess I would be on that list,” said Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose). “One thing I did learn on the committee is to pay attention and listen to what Trump says, because he means it.”

Lofgren added that she doesn’t yet have a plan in place to thwart potential retribution by Trump. But Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), who has long been a burr in Trump’s side, said he’s having “real-time conversations” with his staff about how to make sure he stays safe if Trump follows through on his threats.

“We’re taking this seriously, because we have to,” Schiff said. “We’ve seen this movie before … and how perilous it is to ignore what someone is saying when they say they want to be a dictator.”

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[–] quink@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Non-American just double-checking I’ve got his right…

Private citizen makes actionable credible threat to unlawfully detain legislators, legislators choose to do nothing for about half a year before slowly murmuring without specifics other than “yeah he said it” and “I think he means us”.

You OK USA? Just checking in.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://images.app.goo.gl/fQWwqgb2CPyjUDkM7

Jokes aside, if the US falls to fascism, it’s gonna be a massive problem for Europe. Imagine fascists in charge of the biggest nation with a history of colonialism, and the world’s largest stockpile of nukes.

It would be awesome if the other first-world nations started taking this threat seriously, before it’s too late.

[–] tarmarbar@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

European here.

This comment takes assumption that by "US falling to fascism" you meant Trump taking control of the USA. Please ignore everything if I misunderstood.

Trump's among the few US presidents that didn't start a new war. Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2A22QR/

He also scaled down wars in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq. I AM NOT SAYING THOSE ACTIONS WERE GOOD OR BAD FOR THE USA, or for the rest of the world for that matter. And I'm really not qualified to discuss that.

This comment is ONLY a direct reply to a concern that Trump's rule should have Europe worried in the sense that he'll nuke us.

Maybe someone else nukes us as a consequence of his inaction, idk. But Trump nuking Europe is what you said, and I disagree.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m not talking about trump, actually. He’s just a carnival barker. If he wins the next election, he’ll do whatever his handlers want him to do, which will hasten things. But him losing will not stop the fascist movement in progress. There’s a group of actual fascists who have been working on this for decades. Some are in Congress, some are high up in organisations like the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society (writing bills and selecting judges), and others are consultants and advisers.

I’m actually concerned that when trump loses, people will think the threat has passed. His loss will mitigate it somewhat, but it won’t stop them. A large part of the threat is Christian nationalists in Congress, the Supreme Court, and in many other seats of power throughout the country.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

LMAO I love how all the libs who've been salivating at the idea that Trump might get jailed are now appalled at the idea that Trump would jail his opponents. This is what happens when you start weaponizing your legal system. And before you come here to tell me that the charges against Tump are totally legitimate, I guarantee you that when Trump goes after his opponents, he'll have no trouble finding dirt on them because all US politicians are corrupt as fuck.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Letting corrupt politicians go to jail is the opposite of weaponizing the legal system. Letting ONLY everybody but the corrupt politicians go to jail is weaponization.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If your legal system went against all corrupt politicians then you might actually have a point here. However, selectively using the legal system to go after politicians from opposing parties is what weaponizing the legal system is.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My legal system is Sweden.

What's selective about it? Who else has committed as much crime? Every time Republicans complain about this stuff and we look at the numbers the Republicans are always guilty of far many more infractions AND they always get away free in a higher percentage of cases. The reality is more prosecutions are needed, and you're naive if you think otherwise.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do the oligarchs often go to jail in Sweden?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't have a lot of oligarchs

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately we have a right wing party in the government right now, but you're talking about a country ranked 20 globally

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You live in a country where the highest 10% have 60-70% of the nation's wealth. I don't give a shit how you're tanked globally. You have oligarchs, and those oligarchs aren't going to jail for crimes they commit. Just the same as in every capitalist owned shithole.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Whether I do or not has nothing to do with my point. It's quite telling that you feel the need to deflect from it in this way.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

he'll have no trouble finding dirt on them because all US politicians are corrupt as fuck.

And this is the problem with "both sides"ism.
"Sure these Republican politicians are corrupt as fuck, but all politicians are corrupt as fuck. How do I know? Look at the Republicans!"

They tried this with the whole impeachment of Joe Biden: start an investigation on bullshit and surely they'll find something because everyone is just as corrupt as they are.

They found nothing.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you think that Biden or the rest of the democrats are any less corrupt than republicans then you're well and truly lost.

[–] Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, YOU'RE the one that's lost my dude. They couldn't even find ANYTHING on Biden but Trump has 91 felony counts and more trouble to come.

No shit we're weaponizing the legal system against Trump. He's a CRIMINAL. That's what it's FOR.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

whatever helps you sleep at night I guess

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where's the study on who's more corrupt? Corrupt people tend to do things that make people think they're corrupt

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The study clearly shows whose interests the politicians in US consistently represent regardless of which party is in power. This very clearly demonstrates that both parties are just as corrupt. Let me know if that helped clear things up for you, or you need me to chew it for you a bit more.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

LMFAO that's like arguing that my cat has the same stake in the decision making process of how I run my house as I do because it happens to benefit from the decisions I make. The fact that you think that's a sound argument is frankly hilarious. Try again. 😂

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strangely none of that is about crimes being done by politicians.

You know, the thing this entire thread is about: crimes.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you don't think US politicians who execute the will of the oligarchy aren't criminally corrupt then you're childishly naive.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should really stop using words when you don't know what they mean.

criminally corrupt

What crimes are being broken?

The system being bad and broken doesn't automatically make everyone criminals who should be in jail. Trump has broken laws and committed crimes. What crimes have his opponents committed to warrant being put in jail?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems to me that you're the one who doesn't know what words mean. Can you point out a crime that Trump has actually been convicted of since you obviously know what words mean.

As I explained in my original comment, Trump will have no trouble finding crimes his opponents committed, the same way Trump's own crimes have been found. What part of that are you struggling to understand?

Since you clearly have trouble wrapping your head around this concept I'll try explain it to you again. US is run by corrupt people, and once somebody starts looking into them, it's not going to be hard to find dirt. If you don't understand why it's going to be easy to find dirt on deeply corrupt people, then what else is there to say to you.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you point out a crime that Trump has actually been convicted of since you obviously know what words mean.

I don't see why you're asking for this since we both agree Trump is corrupt as fuck. As you said:

all US politicians are corrupt as fuck.

Which would include Trump, so why are you asking me to prove something we both agree on? Where we disagree is on the Democrats being equally corrupt, so the burden of proof is on you to show how the Democrats are corrupt / which crimes they have committed.

But here you go, here's some lists of charges against Trump: https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/

once somebody starts looking into them, it’s not going to be hard to find dirt

The Republicans have been looking into Joe Biden for some time now for their impeachment claims. What dirt have the found? Have the named any actual charges yet?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But here you go, here’s some lists of charges against Trump

Do you understand what the word convict means?

The Republicans have been looking into Joe Biden for some time now for their impeachment claims. What dirt have the found? Have the named any actual charges yet?

Democrats have been looking into Trump for a while now, and no convictions so far. Biden is currently being investigated in case you weren't aware https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you understand what the word convict means?

Yes, do you understand what moving the goalposts means? There are active trials happening for Trump right now with evidence and actual charges and everything. There has been no evidence presented or trials scheduled for Joe Biden, or any of these other Democrats Trump wants to jail.

So to be clear here: implying that Trump is innocent because he hasn't been convicted yet, but saying Democrats are "just as bad" despite there being zero evidence or charges, is incredibly disingenuous.

Or, to simplify: holding Trump and Democrats to different standards, where Trump's trials haven't finished yet so "you can't call him guilty", and Democrats haven't even been charged and somehow "they are the same," makes it obvious that you're full of shit.

Biden is currently being investigated in case you weren’t aware

I... have mentioned that repeatedly. I even mentioned it where you quoted me. So again, so full oh shit you're not bothering to read what other people are saying. They have been investigating for a year. What crimes have been found? What charges are they presenting? Why are the wanting to quietly end it?
https://newrepublic.com/post/179789/house-republicans-desperate-biden-impeachment-exit-strategy

Again, let's make fair comparisons here: I provided a link that shared specific charges being brought to trial against Donald Trump that prosecutors have evidence for.
What specific charges are being made against Joe Biden? What evidence has been found? They've been looking for over a year, and as you said:

once somebody starts looking into them, it’s not going to be hard to find dirt

So where's the dirt?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, do you understand what moving the goalposts means?

Yeah, that's what you're doing. Trump has not been convicted of any actual crimes, and last I checked US system says a person is innocent until proven guilty. I see this is a concept you continue to struggle with here.

Or, to simplify: holding Trump and Democrats to different standards, where Trump’s trials haven’t finished yet so “you can’t call him guilty”, and Democrats haven’t even been charged and somehow “they are the same,” makes it obvious that you’re full of shit.

Nobody is holding Trump to different standards. You're just making a bullshit narrative here because you lack basic honesty.

I… have mentioned that repeatedly. I even mentioned it where you quoted me. So again, so full oh shit you’re not bothering to read what other people are saying. They have been investigating for a year. What crimes have been found? What charges are they presenting? Why are the wanting to quietly end it?

They've been investigating Trump since 2016, and still haven't convicted him of anything. Yet, apparently that's different somehow. The fact that you don't even see how utterly full of shit you are is absolutely hilarious.

So where’s the dirt?

Once they start being investigated then we'll know. It's like if you were a psycho serial killer and nobody looked into you, then you too could be running around saying where's the dirt.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've been investigating Trump since 2016, and still haven't convicted him of anything.

Once again: they have specific charges they are accusing him of and bringing him to trial for. They can name the specific crimes he is being accused of and when they were committed.

Then you come in with your vague "Democrats probably do illegal things too." And act like those are the same thing.

Do you understand the difference between "specific" and "vague"?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Once again, what part of innocent until proven guilty are you still struggling with there little buddy?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The difference being that trump is a criminal who BROKE THE FUCKING LAW COUNTLESS TIMES. He committed multiple frauds, this is not an 'if", he did, period. He sexually assaulted at least.one person, proven, likely many more. This is not a question, this happened. He stole too secret documents from the government, refused to return them, his them and gave them away to god knows who. None of this is open for debate. Other people releasing secret government documents are in prison for life, trump is still free, last I checked.

None of this has to do with politics, his political opponents had nothing to do with this, this is all his own fucking doing.

Should I talk about January 6th? I recall trump tweets from the days leading up to that, I remember what he wrote, I remember preparing popcorn to watch the mayhem unfold. I remember him egging them on. EVERYONE INVOLVED IS OR IS GOING TO JAIL. Trump is still out there, still free. Nothing of this has to do with political opponents, these people were judged by the US law and jailed for their crimes.

Nearly all of trumps ~~cronies~~ friends and people who worked for him are or have been jailed for proven crimes. Nothing to do with politics.

What does trump want to do? He wants to jail his opponents because they are his opponents. Reality check: being a political opponent is NOT a crime, unless you have a dictatorship, which ding ding ding, trump literally said he wants to have. His words, not mine.

Seriously, I don't get it, I don't get your mental gymnastics. You says that trump will jail them because they are criminals, but WHAT CRIMES? If they committed crimes, they'd already be in jail. These trump cronies are in jail because they committed crimes. Commit a crime, you go to jail. Political colors have nothing to do with that. You literally claim "he will find something", are you kidding? Are you that daft?

Come on already, stop behaving like a child.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Buddy, your legal system won't even prosecute literal pedophiles on Epstein list, and here you are pretending that it's going after Trump because he's a uniquely terrible criminal. Grow up child.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

And this is different than Assange and Snowden?