A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.
They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2026
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Corporations like Meta, Apple and Alphabet are closing off the internet. Governments are just woefully underpowered against these companies who make internet addiction their business.
Underpowered? They're in bed with them.
See you guys in I2P.
Are there like.. forums on I2P? Like… good ones, where people talk about hobbies and maybe they’re moderated well enough? Or is that just 2001-Me’s insanely wishful thinking? Forums used to be my favorite thing on the internet until they mostly kinda went away.
Is that even possible to have that anymore? Something seemed to fundamentally change when smartphones made the internet accessible to everyone, not just the kind of people whose interests involve sitting at a computer all day.
Yes there are multiple forums to be found. Imageboards etc. Everything you can find on normal internet.
Best ones probably are i2pforum and Ramble.
There’s one reddit-like thing out there I played around with. It needs more people but there’s enough there as is I wouldn’t call it dead. It’ll likely grow as more people flee censored internet. I think it was called ramble
Yes it is Ramble.
Always good to have a place to escape to - but we need to regain people's power over the mainstream Internet.
This is where most people will remain, this is where you'll have to go to stay in touch, this is what influences public opinion on policies and actions. This ground cannot and should not be given up.
They do what they have always done, gain control and shape it in their own interests, regardless of the cost to others. This is endemic to businesses itself. Business the the root cause of all market enshitification.
A little too corporate friendly here.
Not that I oppose the idea, but also, Big Tech wants a kind of narrower censorship... so they can be the defacto gatekeepers, and no one else.
Government has to be the wall between corporations and the general mass populace. The general population just does not have the media literacy or means to effectively combat corporations influence on everything in society. Something needs to be that barrier.
Corporatuons must have legal limits to their size in people, capitalization, revenue, etc.
If we allow limitless growth then there won't be a wall thick enough to hide us from all the bullshit.
Billionaires should not exist, and corporations must have strict limits too.
Having one corporation buy out every other one and get into every type of business is way too much power. Look at how things work in S. Korea where the president has to kiss the feet of the CEO of Samsung. Because Samsung is way too big and does way too many things. Corps like that are just begging to be split up.
Yeah absolutely. This is something I can get behind.
I mean, I think there should be a medium. Governments don't need that power either.
In other words, I think this movement should be placing more blame on corporate lobbying and monopolies, too. But not let up on the censorship efforts from govts.
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Kind of interesting to read something that so clearly isn't critical of the system but is advocating for something that would fundamentally require systemic change. Liberal movements to further police the internet at a state level is constructed here as the selfish acts of self-interested politicians who are simply using the system wrong, not the inevitable consequence of a system that relies on the subordination of different groups of people and therefore must control the means by which people communicate. The internet is a problem for colonialism and capitalism, full stop. They aren't citing youth wellbeing and ignoring them in legislative decisions because they forget or they are particularly inconsiderate, it's because they know the child represents the continuation of this system and they are evoking an ideal innocence associated with children to construct the internet as a corrupting force on society. They know they don't have to actually think about the kids because that would mean anything else is valued over capital.
It talks about addressing the root causes for the disingenuously cited problems that unregulated internet access poses, but then ignores the fundamental role that corporations have played in facilitating those issues exactly because the internet was inevitably commodified under this system. The fact that there is one video platform controlled by one of the largest corporations in the world that reliably kneecaps any competition was what, not an issue? That these corporate entities are beholden to the interests of almost exclusively Americand and European imperialistic interests is not a coincidence, and until quite recently their transnational operation allowed for a significant amount of informal influence on colonized spaces. The only reason they're doing this is because they know that people within the empire have effectively used it to organize resistance, and that this is avoided in this mission statement speaks to the dissonance between "democratic" internet movements and the reality that the internet exists in.
I think this greatly undermines the weaponization of the internet from other governments. Society is currently so plugged in and we've known that subliminal messaging is a real psychological problem for close to ~100 years now. Free and Open internet is cool, but not for the masses who cannot combat this kind of psychological warfare.
We have to reign in both Corporations and external entities trying to influence a Nations populace. Some how, some way.
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my new hobby post-internet will be flock camera vandalism, perhaps a little data centre arson… the great outdoors
turns out china was just a little bit ahead of everyone huh
It's more like some people saw an opportunity in selling China-style online censorship to other governments. They just needed convincing stories to sell.
Stories of children being groomed with internet porn and calling for mass censorship. Stories of the stars of internet porn regretting it and calling for mass censorship. Stories of terror attacks being organized on the internet. Stories of awful chatrooms.
So now anyone wanting to oppose your censorship is a nazi islamist pedophile jerking off to CSAM in their mother's basement.
And it won't end with banning the most disgusting and gory lolicon hentai. It won't even stop with banning porn. It will end with things being banned because some Trump, Orbán, Putin-class dictator didn't like it, and the chatbot spat out some reasonable sounding argument that supported it beyond "the glorious leader didn't like this".
Europe has been working this protecting children from predators angle for at least two decades, to weaken any sort of encryption or anonymity and allow more state surveillance.
This isn't something new, it's just that now they think they can get away with doing their worst, knowing just how fucked our voters are in the head as their political parties are all captured by oligarchs.
An argument can be made for anything
As I said a few months ago, don't be shocked if the usa pulls a 'great firewall' out of its ass soon. They saw China's social credit system and decided they wanted that for themselves
I'm starting to be a fan of countries walling off vs the alternative. To be clear, I'm not for it. I would prefer open internet. But what's worse is countries trying to project their jurisdiction across the globe.
If you don't like that I don't comply with the laws of places where I don't live, block my site. I don't block you. You block me. I shouldn't even have a responsibility to know what your laws are to know if I should block you. It's your laws, your job.
And if a country finds it easier to block off the whole external internet, fine. That's still better than someone who I didn't elect thinking they can tell me how I must do my job. Certainly better than 152 different governments and municipalities trying to do it at the same time.
So we should make it clear. When someone in a foreign country visits your site, you are not operating in that country. The user is visiting yours.
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Tor, i2p if you still have access to TCP and reticulum to bypass TCP entirely.
Edit: I should have said bypass TCP/IP because you need centralized infrastructure to use TCP IP because of the border gateway protocol and routing.
With Reticulum, you self-assign a destination hash using your public and private key pair and then announce that destination hash over whatever connection to the Reticulum network you happen to have. Whether it be Bluetooth, LORA, TCP/IP, serial cable, whatever.
Love when people drops this kind of thing as it were the easiest thing to do. Most common users would not have or would ever get the knowledge or the means to do this thing they are aiming for them and then solve the outliers like us. Fighting for the rights is the real solution!
I can't tell its I can't find anything worth visiting on i2p or there is just nothing there
Compared to the open internet and the slightly dark parts of the internet, there is nothing of great interest, except the fact that no one can easily hunt down what you did while you were there.
The real problem is, by the time you actually want to be there because there is no anonymous access to the real net, they'll ferret out people running i2p at all and block them from doing so.
The problem I have it that it doesnt seem lile there can ever be anything. Its so slow dynamic content would be horrible and all the users are anonymous so keeping bad actors out would be extremely tired some.
Chat rooms exist, Torrents exist, mail exists. There is no keeping bad actors out, kinda of the point of it, no-mans-land that's there for when the regular internet is no longer safe. You group up, trust the trusted. it's not a replacement from the corporate hellscape, it's a free place to retreat to.
But if you run one of these places you need to ban over and over and over again to maintain a decent community
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Still don't understand wtf do you want people to do with Tor if Tor itself gets blocked (yes, their obfuscation methods are also very trivial to block), not to mention the reality of some countries not allowing any cross border traffic.
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ELI5, why bypass TCP? I'm looking this up, but an answer might help me and others understand this better. :D
The big problem with TCP IP is that it requires being assigned IP addresses and the border gateway protocol and other such infrastructure, which is not usable as an individual.
In Reticulum, you self-assign a destination address using your public and private keys and then announce that that service is available to the rest of the network through whatever connection you happen to have to the rest of the network.
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Walling in an already dead zombi
I'm sorry but we had to support the 23 year old content creator who makes Garfield comics and earns $10/month. That was more important then anticipating the threat of artificial Data scarcity threat that everyone warned about 20 years ago.
It's cool though, that artisanal comic is going to really make me laugh as the authoritarians go door to door looking for undesirables
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