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By "spoil," I mean things like:

  • Smothering him in kisses
  • Stroking his hair
  • Using a soft or warm tone of voice associated with "puppy talk" or "baby talk"
  • Telling him he's cute, precious, or any number of cutesy and diminutive pet names
  • Praising him for who he is, not just what he does
  • Holding and reassuring him when he's scared or sad
  • Being the big spoon when cuddling
  • Cherishing his soft or vulnerable emotional expressions
  • Initiating affection and sex
  • Treating his emotional well-being as equally important to her own
  • Being playfully affectionate -- overwhelming him with kisses, tickling him, squeezing him, etc

My ideal relationship is one where she spoils me about as much as I spoil her, and we support each other and make decisions together as a team.

Optional Traumatic Context (click)

I (23M) grew up in an environment where my parents initially showed me affection and played with me when I was very young, but stopped doing so around age 3. After this point, they were cold and emotionally abusive, with my dad being downright threatening and physically abusive. They told me that I was too old to be smothered in kisses or played with anymore. But the memories of those moments and the yearning to experience them again kept bouncing around in my head... and they never disappeared. I only became more and more ashamed of them.

As a young child, I kept trying to find ways to elicit this kind of attention from strangers, which I did by acting cute. This worked for a while, but soon I got old enough that the nice ladies in the supermarket stopped paying attention to me, and I believed that I would never receive this kind of love again. Things only got worse when I learned about gender roles -- the man was the strong, stoic knight who worked tirelessly and quietly endured pain for his damsel in distress, all for a pittance of affection. In all of the media I had ever watched, not once was a male character absolutely drowned in smooches like I had wished for.

In middle school, I was often called "gay" by people for expressing the cuteness and emotional expressiveness that used to get positive attention. I didn't know how to be stoic, so I felt trapped. It felt like they were attacking my unspoken desires to be soft and vulnerable with a woman and asserting that they were undesirable in straight relationships, a claim that I didn't know how to refute. In defense of those desires, I felt solidarity with queer, kinky, and gender nonconforming people and channeled my nihilistic rage into bullying any sexists or homophobes I could get power over.

Since then, I've mostly gone underground and retreated to various progressive online spaces, not really engaging with real life. Eventually I discovered terms like "gentle femdom" and "role reversal," which showed some of what I liked, but it also made me believe that what I wanted was an exotic kink and not a real thing IRL.

I just want lots of kisses and praise and comfort. I don't want someone in charge of me and I don't want to be "the woman" in the relationship. I just want to feel precious and adored by a partner just as much as I would do the same for her, and that feels like asking for too much.

I've been going to therapy for this because the shame has become crippling and caused a learned helplessness that has made it difficult to leave my abusive situation. I didn't have any motivation to try in life because I'm tired of hiding my true soft self and thought I could never find a partner or safe spaces in public to be me. My therapist says that my desires aren't unusual, but that doesn't make it feel easier to find people I can feel safe with.

So, what do you think? Are my desires some kind of strange Oedipal amalgamation that doesn't really exist in real relationships, or is believing so just another cognitive distortion from my upbringing?

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[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

That's not rare at all. You just have to find a partner that shows affection in the way that you want to recive it. Which is of course the hard part, but it is possible. Just be open and communicate what you are looking for when meeting someone. It's okay to say, hey I'm a touchy feely kinda guy who likes cuddles and physical affection! And don't take it to heart if someone can't match your energy here, it happens. Good luck buddy!

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Look - theres nothing wrong with being affectionate with a partner... nor is there anything wrong with desiring reciprocation. BUT everyone tends to display affection differently. If you need or would like something from your partner... here's a life hack: tell them. Talk about it. That will vastly improve your situation or at the very least leave you informed on where things stand. What won't work is posting your grievances here and looking for validation. If you aren't getting your needs met by this person and you both have already discussed the topic? Decision time.

I'm not saying you can't fish around for some ideas but regardless of what the faceless masses here prefer - if you have a need and you believe its important then... it is. You may not get everything on your wishlist. We rarely do. But discussion tends to yield better results when its with the party you are concerned with. My 2c.

[–] sprigatito_bread@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I probably should have specified in the post that I've never had a partner before...

The context, in short, is that I was raised in an environment with a degree of emotional neglect so totalizing that it led me to believe that wanting affection and emotional support was an obscure fetish, and that this so-called fetish was the reason I was a broken person who could never be loved. (That's why I've never tried to get into a relationship.)

Based on the replies I'm getting, I think it's safe to say that everything I believed was a lie, one that stemmed from the emotional deprivation chamber of my childhood.

I like the point you make about communication. I definitely plan on communicating my most important needs upfront if I start dating. In childhood, I learned to fear my needs and never voice them because they would never be met, but now, I think I know better.

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I probably should have specified in the post that I've never had a partner before...

Everyone starts somewhere. Theres nothing wrong with that. Too many people feel that they need to know it all ahead of time and reality is - everyone is different. You could date 100 people and while, sure, there might be some commonalities... each of those relationships will be a wholly different thing. Objectively look at friendships you have... you may have multiple friends but each one is unique. They have different traits and even different reasons they appeal ro you. Dating in the rawest form is just that. Friends but seeking more.

The context, in short, is that I was raised in...

We are the sum of our damages. Everyone bears different scars and carries different experiences with them. You are who you are because of the path youve traveled. The key thing is youre still on that road. You can adjust and course correct every single day and get closer to your ideal. It won't always work out but maybe you'll have a story to tell or have learned something that will help you along your path.

Based on the replies I'm getting, I think it's safe to say that everything I believed was a lie, one that stemmed from the emotional deprivation chamber of my childhood.

The best I can suggest is focus less on what is behind you: its not going to change. You can love it, hate it, or curse it daily but it won't change the past. Personally I've known and been fortunate to have known a lot of people from different walks of life. Some of the kindest and empathetic people I have known came from some wildly hellish backgrounds. They sought compassion and empathy because they didn't want to see others suffer the same path they knew.

I like the point you make about communication. I definitely plan on communicating my most important needs upfront if I start dating.

Make connections, find friends, do things you both like. You'll find your way naturally. Don't force it and dont rush.

In childhood, I learned to fear my needs and never voice them because they would never be met, but now, I think I know better.

Every step you take can move you further from who you were ... and a step closer to who you'll be. You'll be fine. ;)

[–] FrederikNJS@piefed.zip 8 points 5 hours ago

I have no idea how rare it is to find women that fit your description... But my gut feeling says that it is not as uncommon as you have been led to believe. A very common stereotype for women is to be nurturing and warm... There has got to be a reason why that stereotype exists in the first place.

But for what it's worth, my wife is exactly like this, except for the "baby talk" and diminutive names... Those are the two items from your list that I also don't really enjoy, so that might just be a case of us adapting to each other's preferences and needs. I actually also don't like my hair being stroked... But that's because I have psoriasis in my scalp, and stroking my hair causes it to tickle and itch.

When I stumbled upon your post we were actually already lying in bed and I had only woken up some 10-20 minutes before, and my wife had just rolled over and wrapped herself around me as the big spoon.

My parents were also somewhat emotionally distant. They preferred to bottle up any hard emotions instead of dealing with them. They were never abusive though.

In the early parts of the relationship with my wife, I didn't appreciate the affection as much, I still liked it, but couldn't fully surrender to the feeling. However my wife started therapy to deal with her own childhood trauma and PTSD, and asked me to join to help her... This was of course a smart ploy, because she knew I also needed the therapy. Participating in the therapy made me realise how much I actually needed the therapy, and it taught me to open up to my emotions, and both receiving and giving affection. Which of course taught me to appreciate and enjoy much more of my wife's affection.

Every human is different, some are extremely affectionate, and some are not. Some people need a lot of affection and some need very little.

Being honest with your self and any potential partner is absolutely a super power. You do not want to trap a person that doesn't want to be affectionate in a relationship where they have to be. You want to find someone who either is affectionate already, or is open to being affectionate.

And this is completely normal to expect in a good relationship, but as you say, many men have been taught that they have to hide away their emotions... But to me it seems like this stereotype is rapidly changing to allowing men to be softer, and open up about their emotions.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Just continue being you. You'll find someone that's willing to do that. In my experience this isnt really gender specific, some people express their affection in those ways and some don't. You're not weird for wanting it and I'm sorry you've been made to feel that way.

If you're open about what you want when you're seeking a partner, you'll have an easier time finding someone who wants to do all those things.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 43 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Listen to your therapist over random strangers on the Internet.

And, that said, cishet women showing affection to their masculine partners is entirely ordinary, healthy, and expected.

[–] charokol@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

But also, it’s okay and healthy to not enjoy doing everything on that list

[–] DrSoap@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago

Find a girl who loves animals. Those are girls who are overflowing with cuddles inside of them. Also, get yourself a puppy! Endless cuddles and kisses.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 3 points 5 hours ago

God, I want the same thing as you. I hope we find what we're looking for soon. I'm here if you want to talk about it sometime.

[–] d5273@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

It's a cultural thing. We in the anglosphere have been mentally poisoned to need everything to be transactional or cost to benefit analysis based. 'What's in it for me' mentality.

Date other cultures to find what you're looking for, but there will be other expectations from you, as well.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Trauma leaves people with a "hole" inside. This rather about feeling than thinking. You do not think bad of women because of your trauma, but you feel that it's not enough when she's trying to fill the hole inside you. She may be trying hard already, but she can never succeed, because your feeling says you need "more". And in the end it is more than any human can ever do, and then both are desperate.

In therapy, you learn to take responsibility for your own (overly huge) wanting. In a real relationship, my advice is to praise and respect and love her for just trying, even when it is just a tiny little - and never expect her to do more than trying.

[–] sprigatito_bread@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

This is something I worry about happening if I get into a relationship and is probably one of the biggest reasons why I've never been in one, second only to the fear of these desires being rejected.

I don't actually know what my behavior would be if I got into a relationship. I always just think, "What if it goes badly and I end up severely hurt?" That was always enough to deter me.

I feel way better than I did 2 years ago and I feel far less neurotic than I did just a few months ago, though. I can actually feel safe in some circumstances and I initiated a conversation with a stranger for the first time the other day, when I've been afraid to do so all my life.

I'm not sure that I can just get rid of my desire to be doted on and praised at least to some degree. But I'm hoping I can get to the point where I stop worrying about it so much.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 13 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Obviously depends on the women and what they're looking for/enjoy. But from my experience women are generally fine with this and even want to engage in a lot of this. But I really dont think its what most men want (personally I hate most of the things on your list and actively communicate it) so unless you communicate it to your partner that you do prefer these things they probably wont be like this towards you.

Just keep in mind that you will encounter people who dont like this and thats fine, consider it a filter and move on.

[–] flinkSt0ne@feddit.org 2 points 7 hours ago