The new macOS 27 beta changes Apple's boot picker in a way that hides the Asahi Linux partition, preventing Apple Silicon Mac users from booting into their Linux installations. : linux

[–] x74sys@programming.dev 4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I honestly don't understand what people even like about Apple. They aren't privacy focused at all. They still collect a lot of personalized data about you. And even if it's not as much as google, still doesn't make it good, just makes it less bad. And they store it securely somewhere on a "trust me bro" basis, promising to not tell anyone else.

Apart from that: Apple is trying everything to avoid you realizing that you're using a computer. Personally, I find IT experts using apple computers to be contradictory of some sorts, because of apple's attempt at hiding the actual computer from you.

I understand that having a 1kg metal frame in front of you feels great & premium, but that can't seriously be one of the major selling points...

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago

It’s not that I like Apple is that I feel like they are slightly less bad than Google and there are pretty much no other options in the US.

[–] encelado748@feddit.org 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

MacBook since Apple silicon have the best processors (performance, battery life, feature support) in any laptop. Software development is much more similar to Linux and local LLM just work with the best unified memory bandwidth of any other device (recent nvidia RTX Spark is shit compared to a MacBook M5 Max).

Apple is shit, with anticonsumer practices, but actually has the best hardware, ok software, wide support for long time and ok stability. It is not perfect, but better then windows laptops on hardware and software while being worse then Linux laptop in some use case and better in other use case.

[–] x74sys@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

That’s true. I have a MacBook as well (M1, gift from a couple of years ago) and I don’t use it. Okay it’s fast, but what I do on a laptop doesn’t need that power at all. Battery life is very valid (which is a problem with my old ThinkPad), but with Framework catching up, it’s less of an argument in the future.

And I honestly don’t feel much of a difference when using my MacBook compared to my ThinkPad in terms of performance (and my ThinkPad has 2 cores and 4 threads mind you), but I mostly just browse and do C programming (I know that there is a massive difference in power, I just don’t need it in day to day use). For everything that needs a lot power I use my desktop computer.

In the end it just comes down to priorities I suppose. For me personally, privacy has become one of the most important concerns because I think it’s fucked up how much companies are allowed to know about us individually, and I don’t want them to keep getting information about me.

No battery life, no ARM processor, no retina display, no broken glass design and no other gimmick I don’t really need can justify what they are doing, at least in my opinion. I‘d rather need to inconveniently charge my laptop every 2 hours because the battery is dead then to have some company know more about myself then I do.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh look, Microsofts strategy to use whatever method to keep you (except of course making good and reliable software) and reminding you that your computer is theirs, not yours.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

MS makes macOS now?

[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It was obvious from beginning that the excitement over ARM Macs was short sighted. Major hack jobs will continually require hacking around things. It's inevitably going to break. There will be unforseeably long periods of downtime. There always be periods of being to not upgrade yet. There will be unforeseen issues that cause this or that feature to be broken. It will always be buggy. It will always be X% working but we just need a few more breakthroughs (which never come). It's always Soon(TM).

Inevitably one of the main contributors will move on and the project dies. At best the X% working sees a major reduction. The next significant breakage results in much longer or indefinite period of time to find a new hack.

I was laughing at the talk about how Apple is being cooperative or whatever. Let's see Apple post the hardware reference manuals. Cooperative is being open.

[–] encelado748@feddit.org 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You are totally right but no one makes arm hardware as good as Apple. Linux alternatives are raspberry pi level (not something you can use for serious computing) or windows locked down system on chip with no driver and worse performance. Linux works on intel and amd for now and none of them produce something as good as Apple silicon.

EDIT: I do not understand the downvote. This is factual truth. You may not like it but benchmark are clear. There is no competitor for an M5 max in term of efficiency, performance, memory bandwidth as CPU+GPU package for laptop. I know it is not supported yet by Asahi, but the quality on Apple silicon was unmatched for the M4 all the way down to the M1.

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I remember I told one of the asahi devs (lina?) How shitty apple is and how they try to make it as hard as possible for them to make a linux that runs on apple computers. they got triggered, told me this is not the case and apple is very cooperative, then blocked me on mastodon.

guess they like the arrangement.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I used to work for an apple reseller.

Apple devs were fairly normal people and were totally honest with us during developer training. I would happily have a beer with them

Some Apple sales managers were absolute cocks though. One of them treated me like an idiot one week in front of customers when I defended windows on Mac, and the next week, he was talking like he was a genius and repeated every argument I made the week before.

Apple talks lots of s*** about Linux. Absolutely don't buy an Apple if you want a Linux system. The Asahi devs deserve a lot of respect though

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Only people who like apple (I was going to say fanboys here but I restrained myself) would contribute to posting Linux to Mac, so it logically follows that they wouldn't like their preferred platform to be criticised.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 19 points 1 day ago

Some people like being in abusive relationships it seems.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This sounds like you were harassing a volunteer dev that had an actual direct interaction with a corporation based on hearsay and they rightfully blocked a troll that wasn't contributing anything meaningful or constructive to the project.

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Social media is for socializing. They posted something in the lines of "we can't get graphics to work properly" and I sympathized with them about how hard it must be dealing with apples' dick moves.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 8 points 23 hours ago

I was just saying that your own description of events made you sound like a troll. I don't know the truth of the matter and frankly it's irrelevant. If they are working closely with Apple, those kinds of comments on what I assume was their own public forum are an unhelpful distraction at best and potentially detrimental to their corporate relationship with Apple. You could be %100 correct about Apple and the devs could %100 agree with your sentiment, but that doesn't mean that the social media forum they host is an appropriate place for that kind of discussion. It's not helpful for them and only has the potential to make their situation worse. They blocked you and moved on so they could focus on the project instead of the noise. Even if your intentions were good (and I do actually believe you meant well) I understand why they did what they did.

[–] craftrabbit@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

This is bad, but also we're less than a week into a developer preview build here, we might want to hold our horses for a moment

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Taking a leaf out of Microsoft's book, I see

[–] toor@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I tried dual booting for a very short time ~20 years ago (oh man...) Every time Windows would obliterate my grub config/mbr and I'd have to dig up instructions to reconfigure grub from live cd. Never again.

[–] qupada@fedia.io 18 points 1 day ago

Back in those (pre-UEFI) days it was quite easy to add GRUB to the Windows boot manager instead.

You'd wind up with a menu entry that Windows would usually leave alone, unlike its aggressive reinstallation overwriting GRUB.

Once UEFI came along, it became easier to give each OS an entire disk with no connections between them, and use the BIOS as the boot menu.

Or, y'know, just give Windows the flick and only run Linux 😉

[–] tyler@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s a beta…they fix bugs to get asahi booting all the time. This isn’t new.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure but what if I already hate Apple and this article validates my feelings?

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

That's what I'm saying (!)

[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

booooooo

[–] vogi@piefed.social 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Read it as "Apple's boot licker" wouldn't expect anything else from them.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Lmao same

[–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Fix: Create another partition from macOS 27, install older macOS version, boot into it and change startup volume back to Asahi

[–] HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nice to see a corporation show some fear towards a community project.

Been very happily living in Asahi for the last few weeks. It's buggy, but totally usable for a daily driver. So usable that I'm tempted to obliterate the macOS partition entirely.

[–] CorvusCornix@piefed.social 3 points 19 hours ago

You should keep it around, per the Asahi docs themselves, and marcan provides some additional details in this reddit comment as well - it's a little older, but I think it still mostly applies since the firmware update script still runs through macOS.

You could try using diskutil apfs resizeContainer <container ID> minimum (I don't 100% recall if the last argument is actually minimum but using the regular --help should give you the correct one) in macOS to shrink the macOS container to smaller than the Asahi installer typically allows, or use expert mode in the Asahi install script to override the macOS size check, possibly with fewer negative consequences than deleting it outright.

Sorry if you already know all this but I thought I'd add it here just in case!

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

congratulations, you played yourself