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cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/shermanposting/p/1855263/don-t-be-a-loser
The issue is, if you care at all about how the Palestinian people are treated, you’re labeled an antisemite. That word is being used to shut down ANY discourse.
While real antisemitism is also on the rise
It sounds like victim blaming, but a lot of the rise of antisemitism is being fueled by the actions of the Israeli state itself. Over the course of the last few years the state has burned through 80 years of good will and hard work put in by groups devoted to fighting real antisemitism.
A lot of the behaviour like flexing control over the media, and political systems that antisemitic groups have been falsely accusing them of have been made true through the acts of the Israeli far right government. Furthering the idea that these antisemitic groups have been correct the whole time. The worse thing is that the state is intentionally conflating the idea that the actions of Israel represent the intent of all Jewish people, labeling any criticism against the state antisemitic behavior. This only serves to validate the behaviour of real antisemitic actors, giving them cover to disguise their racism under a veil of righteous criticism.
Israel spent significant resources propagandizing that they speak for every jewish people on earth. As a part ashkenazi, I was called blood traitor many times for suggesting that maybe genocide shouldn't be happening actually. And I can't even betray any blood, I wasn't even rised jewish and I don't look the part.
Yep, after Palestinians this propaganda campaign is most dangerous for ethnic Jews. It always amazes me that people who survived the consequences of people attempting to create an ethnostate are so quick to want to create one themselves.
Apparently so is genocide.
At least now we're talking about it negatively, instead of quietly ignoring it for decades.
I can label someone a sociopath for wearing red shoes, doesn't make them one.
Agreed. But that doesn’t change the fact that it shuts down discourse.
Why is that an issue? Who cares what people think of you?
Because it’s being used to shut down discourse.
It’s not the label.
Unfortunately he’s confusing antisemites with antizionists
Palestinians are semites too!
Quit it with the semitics
Now you are being anti-semantic
I know, hence my comment.
Given how much he reversed on after speaking with experts on other things when he was govenor, I think he could be convinced he isn't defending the right people if he talked to a 3rd party expert about it.
Despite him being a Republican he seems to be a reasonable guy. Usually.
I think he's one of those Rinos republicans are yapping about.
Yeah.... Morally he wasn't as repugnant as your average Republican, especially compared to today's standards. However, there isn't really a way to be a Republican and still be a truly empathetic person. His tenure as governor was all about cutting taxes and services for his constituents.
He massively cut funding for schools, healthcare, and social services which, all while racking up a huge amount of debt for the state. Imo you can't systemically make the lives of hundreds of thousands poor families even harder and still be considered a good person. Being "fiscally conservative" is just short hand for wanting to starve children and deprive them of healthcare and equitable futures, just to make rich people richer.
Yeah, my bar got so low, I genuinely considered that not openly supporting fucking kids already made him not a republican. I'm kind of forgetting that it's a new development for those folks.
Time flies, crazy to think his governorship started +20 years ago.
Is he? That phrase isn't in the quote, variety added it.
(It's still possible, but idk the rest of the context)
Israel is an apartheid state though…
Something all of us have to keep in mind, especially based on many of the comments here generalizing about MAGA, Jews (and the guilt by association angle), immigrants more broadly (for the rare conservative about these parts), etc..
I see a lot of rationalization and emotionally strong trigger words being used to justify acting the way Arnold is being celebrated for saying people should not act.
Arnold must lick Zio Hollywood boots in order to stay in his place. Arnold cannot talk about the real fucking losers who cry antisemitism in the same time they literally kill kids and shoot them in the testicles twice, and rape hostages and burn civilians alive, kill medics and jourmalists, academics, peace negotiotors, and flatten and steal homes, bomb hospitals and schools and places of worship, occupy neighboring countries, enable corrupt dictatorships, impose aparthied, genocide, torture prison camps, besieged and starved ethnic population.... fuck the list is too long
The omission of zionists makes me think he's conflating terms here.
As if they'll listen to him.
you can fight an enemy without hating them
Wasn't he republican governor?
Edit: Also doesn't that mean that movement based on hate towards capitalism is bunch of losers too?
A repub gov in CA. That probably makes him more left than Manchin in WV or some other dem elected in a red state. He was more open about hearing from everyone and working to get things accomplished.
For your second question. Probably, idk. He is a capitalist.
I hate the Israeli government and a specific Jewish man named Aaron Edelman. Fuck you, Aaron, you know what you did.
The rest of the Jewish community is cool though.