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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/64500038

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

"Most US drivers"? Show me one US driver who needs to breath fossil emissions to survive.

[–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

My salvage title 2006 Honda Accord cost me $3200 in cash over 3 years ago.

Since then, I've spent maybe another $2000 total on ALL service and maintenance. Including a full set of tires, an alignment, oil changes, brake pads and rotors. A pair of wheel bearings, a new radiator, and a pair of tie rod ends.

All of which I did myself.

Oh, and my monthly insurance premium for this car?

$32 a month. No car note. "But electric cars don't buy gas either" No. They use electricity. And my average monthly power bill is already over $400 a month. You think I want that to be even higher? No way.

Yea, I get that EVs are better.

But I don't do car notes. I can't AFFORD to do car notes.

So until I can buy a 17 year old EV for $3200 cash and only need another couple thousand to keep it running for an additional 3 years, I will stick to the used ICE market.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yeah, your electric bill would be higher but the increase in electricity you'd pay will be less than what you currently pay for gas, saving money overall. Only issue is the up front cost to buy one in the first place. And all the spying shit recent cars come with.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 25 minutes ago

And all the spying shit recent cars come with.

Yeah this and all the infotainment bullshit they're putting in new cars is a huge incentive to just stick with my 15 year old ICE. If nothing changes I'm planning to drive this thing till it rusts to pieces. I don't need or want all that extra crap. Just give me A/C, power locks and windows and a stereo and that's it.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

No. They use electricity. And my average monthly power bill is already over $400 a month. You think I want that to be even higher? No way.

Fueling costs per mile (using the term "fuel" rather loosely for EVs) are significantly lower for electric vehicles than combustion, even taking into account plugging the thing in at home with an extension cord. It's going to be a rather long break even period when comparing to a salvage title clunker, but for someone shopping for a new car to begin with it makes sense.

It's not costing anyone "less" to be paying at the pump. It's just an easily forgotten regular expense that everyone is used to. Meanwhile, people have been conditioned to have a cow over seeing any increased number on their electricity bill even if it's only a couple of bucks. Right now with local gasoline prices it costs something like $60 to fill up my Subaru from empty and nearly $150 for my truck (it has a 35 gallon tank!) and the former I could easily do twice a month if I weren't riding so many motorcycles this time of year instead. In the Scoob, that's around 784 miles of driving for $120 in fuel. That's only be $47.04 if I had a reasonably recent EV and charged it at home.

I went through the same rigmarole replacing my house's oil heat with mini splits. Yes, my electricity bill went up... On average something like $40 a month. Meanwhile I stopped paying $300 to $400 a month to my former oil company for five or six months out of the year. $2000 - $480 = a $1520 or so net yearly savings I proceeded to blow on camera lenses and more motorcycle parts.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'd consider getting one because 90% of my trips are just around a 15 mile radius. I'm going to get a hybrid for my longer road trips to more remote places.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

That's exactly what plug-Ins hybrids (PHEVs) are built for. You only need one of them. Mine starts in EV mode and switches on the fly from EV to hybrid and back with the touch of a button.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I just want a 70 mph enclosed golf cart that can go 150M, charge at home in a few hours, has a tablet size screen that does CarPlay and some speakers, and won’t kill me in a fender bender. I don’t need giant screens, self driving, door latches that won’t work without power, butt warming seats, integrated entertainment system, etc. Oh and maybe have it cost less than my first house (I had a cheap house)

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Oh wow, who would have thought? It's almost like demon oil companies were trying to hide this or something.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Pscht. The idiot president can't ruin things he doesn't know.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Sure he can. Just like a bull in a China shop can ruin things he doesn't understand.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 28 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

After 1 year ownership.
Zero maintenance costs this year, plus averaging around 3 to 5 cents per mile.

My motorcycle costs more to drive and maintain.

It's nice knowing that no matter how expensive gas gets, I'm unaffected by it. Power comes from solar.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Did you include the loan payment, assuming you have one?

What about the lease payment for the solar panels?

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

No you misunderstood. My power comes from the electric company. Their power comes from solar.

Loan is based on cost not type of vehicle.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 points 23 minutes ago

You can even buy solar panels at Harbor Freight these days. At the moment, nominal 100 watt panels for $95 each. If you can drive the screws and find somewhere to stick them, there's no need to sign up for a predatory lease. To level one charge (i.e. 120v at 15 amps, 1800 watts) you'd only need 18 of the things, maybe call it 20 to have some fudge factor built in, that's $1880 plus probably some bits and bobs for a frame and wiring, inverters, and so on.

That'd only be 151 square feet of panels or 10x15', which is actually rather smaller than the footprint required to park your car in. Your local code authority will probably have less to say about it if you have a solar carport plugged directly into your car and nothing else versus nailing them to your house's roof, as well.

[–] Cnote5@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

My 1st EV paid its own note with the amount of gas I wasn't buying to run it.

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I cannot wait until somebody comes out with a hub drive elec motorcycle with a range of 100 miles or greater. No oil changes, no valve lash adjustments, no chain cleaning and slack adjustments, no Teflon containing chain wax or degreasers, just tires brakes and ride. I personally cannot afford an EV car, but motorcycles have been a great way for me to reduce my carbon footprint, cut my commute cost and have fun while doing it. But if it could be electrified I'd go into debt for it! Over winter I have to drive my Subaru and I spend roughly 40-50 a week on fuel, I'm pressed to spend half that on the bike. Always a relief when summer comes and I can shut down the oil furnace and park the car unless I need the payload area to move a bunch of shit. More and more electric bikes are coming out by the minute we are almost there 🤞

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No ear splitting noise either. I'd support that.

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Hell yea 🤙 I will say 90+% of the ear splitting noise comes from 2 distinct riders that are NOT the norm, Harley bros and squids. Both those fuckers will take their mufflers clean off because "loud pipes save lives" despite the fact that when they blow by u, u won't hear so much as a mouse fart u till they have already passed you because their blast pipes are pointing BEHIND the bike blowing noise out the back and away, and in turn offer no warning to drivers in front of them and only serve to annoy those behind. And no cutting the muffler off will not get u more power. These are the same nubs that refuse to use the horn and instead will rev bomb, then grab a fist full of front brake at the last second and cry about how the car is the reason they "haddalayerdown" when there's never an excuse to lay a bike down because you will always be better off on it. I'm a biker of over a decade and hate seeing / hearing these twats, they give the rest of us a bad name lol. Some of us just wanna save gas and reduce our environmental impact while enjoying the weather!

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[–] pound_heap@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

Yeah... Too bad that all EVs are spyware on the wheels. When car makers will be forced to stop or significantly reduce the amount of data they are collecting, I may consider buying one. Probably not going to happen in my lifetime.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

Unless you plan on driving antique cars or living a short time, you are going to need to figure out how to rip out a cellular modem at some point to achieve that. There's no difference between EVs and modern ICE cars on the surveillance tech.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Lol if you're in North America look for an older ev with 3g. The network is shut down so there's no way it can communicate as long as you don't give it your Wi-Fi password.

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[–] areakode@riskeratspizza.com 55 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yup. We knew this. But they won't let us buy the affordable cars because that sort of free market would put US companies out of business.

In this country, we have the FREEDOM to buy any overpriced domestic or foreign (assuming they're on the list of good foreign countries) tank-sized SUV you want.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago

Yup. We knew this. But they won’t let us buy the affordable cars because that sort of free market would put US companies out of business.

While I mostly agree with you, the Chevy Bolt brand new can be had for $29,990. We really should have the option to buy Chinese EVs since the majority of other US car makers have abandoned the EV segment, and therefore deserve no protection from a market they are not in anymore.

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

A lot of people don't realize that the big car thing is due to government regulation. X footprint vehicle must attain Y MPG lest fines or what have you, so manufacturers are legitimately being incentivized to make larger ballooned out vehicles because that puts them in a different bracket for mpg requirements that's easier to attain. This is why the new 3 series is bigger than the old 5 series, etc

[–] belochka@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I've read this happened because sometime in the 80s comrade Reagan decided to own the Japanese instead of letting competition do its work (for cars, but with electronics similar things followed). He's somehow often associated with liberal capitalism and so on, but the guy believed that "monopolies are efficient", but at the same time by some magic if a monopoly stops being efficient, then all the capital and technology base for competition to replace it will just materialize in one place in one moment all by themselves. So I'm not even sure if "comrade" is irony. The ironic part is that the US president whose term coincided with Soviet system conclusively losing the Cold War is also the one who supported state capitalism and ideologic pressure in society.

[–] Cnote5@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago
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[–] kungen@feddit.nu 12 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Wasn't this already well-known? An internal combustion engine is less effective already from the start compared to "modern" fossil energy power production. Even if the energy came 100% from coal, there wouldn't be too much difference anyways.

The only thing electric cars are worse for, environmentally, is increased tyre wear due to weight. And then the battery production/disposal of course...

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 10 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Even if the energy came from 100% black coal, EVs still have less emissions than ICE

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Do you have a source? Last I read the only time ICE beat EV in emissions was when electric came from coal fired plants.

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