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The reason the FCC is only allowing the sale of state approved routers in the US?

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[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's it, I'm gonna start violently beating my meat at my router if this is what they're going for.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

You get it.

[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

IIRC, when Meta bought out iRobot, it slipped out that they were using Roombas to collect the square footage and entire layout of your house to add to your data sets. So this doesn't seem surprising at all. Good thing I configure my own router and firewall.

[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Christoffer Nolan predicted this!

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 points 5 hours ago

I clearly need watch more Batman.

[–] H1AA6329S@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This technology has been publicly demonstrated about 3 years ago, but I imagine it has been done years and years back. It's really nothing mind blowing, just the way waves work, workaround believe it or not is the tin foil your walls.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

There is now a free home assistant plugin to implement it at home lol. Crazy shit. Imagine what's possible with classified tech.

https://github.com/francescopace/espectre

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've seen YouTube videos of people able to record the image of the the vibration of a potato chip bag through a window to recreate the audio from the room.

That's pretty neat

[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 day ago

Nothing new for infosec people..

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My meta-quest 3s is constantly scanning my home floor plan and I'm sure it's getting shipped off to "Big Surveillance".

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Arguably that's a bit difference because to do that you have to explicitly do it (room setup) and you view the result (visual preview with semi-transparent triangles over your place). You can also read the ToS and I believe in some case specify if you allow the information to be sent back to the Meta. I'm not saying it's OK, only that it's explicit and it's part of the "normal" usage of the device.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I also know that someone once demonstrated that you can do this with just a phone camera and it's gyo and get pretty good results. That was back in 2016 before VR was much of a thing.

I guess these days you could just do it with a camera and generate a Splat from it.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A VR headset is basically a phone with lenses, so yes. That's why cardboard and free promotional gifts of lenses snapping on phones work.

My point though isn't about the technical abilities but rather about the social expectations. If you buy a device that does something intrusive but you know that in order to deliver the main value it will do that, it's OK. It's part of the social contract. If somehow though a device is intrusive but it's not expected, either because it was thought to be impossible to do or unrelated to it's original purpose or both, then it's a big problem, a breach of the social contract.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

Mass data mixed with machine learning pattern identification means what already exists will lead to broken as fuck capabilities for those who own everyone. Ie. Not us.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 49 points 2 days ago (6 children)

"Oh my goodness, this is a nightmare" typed everyone into their government approved location recording devices that can show them cats and boobs.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It is easier to just give up and submit, I'll grant you that.

[–] nocteb@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

wearing a smartwatch that constantly outputs an identifier.

[–] sunnytimes@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Huh? No cats on mine , weird.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Sounds faulty

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[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You being wired doesn't stop WiFi seeing you.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It will in my own home when there is no wifi.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suspect it applies to 5G phone signals too (because they are in a similar frequency) so you need to live where there are no nearby 5G masts and all your visitors must use Faraday bags.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 hours ago

So it's now impossible to prevent them from watching me in my own home without making massive sacrifices and costs?

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[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Ok now what router do I buy and what firmware do I flash to plug this into Home Assistant?

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[–] mattreb@feddit.it 17 points 1 day ago (11 children)

If you read the article ( https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3719027.3765062 ) they are testing this in an EXTREMELY controlled enviroment and directed subjects... I have my doubts that this could provide any insight on whether this is even feaseble for public surveillance, let alone effective...

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (9 children)

and this is why you should flood your home with as many APs as possible. I have 17 APs running in my 1000sqft house.

can't find shit if it's too noisy.

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