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[–] EatYourOrach@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are 8.3 Billion people on the planet and there were 7.5 ten years ago. We have enough people. We have enough resources for everyone to live comfortably and be well in their communities. We have more than enough money and other valuable things to trade.

The main thing getting in our way isn't a low birth rate.

Anyone genuinely concerned with the depopulation of humans in 2026 is probably some flavour of breeder cult weirdo, and the only ones constantly banging on about it in politics, academia, the news, etc are imperialists, industrialists and racist patriarchs. IME.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree with you that there are too many people on this world, and yes, we can do with way less.

Having said that

A little bit lower that the 2.1 birthrate is fine, A very low birth rate is very bad for everyone. Sudden changed on demographics will fuck your country up and can make it disappear in a hundred years without you realizing it until it's too late

Demographics is like a slow moving cargo train, you only hear some humming and then some blaring and then when it hits you it won't stop or even slow down for a second

Countries like South Korea are at risk for their very existence and really should act now to avoid the day that North Korea can just walk in because they won't have enough people left to even take care of themselves

China has a similar problem and it's bad. They have a huge amount of people becoming old and unable to add to the economy anymore and requiring more and more help from others... That means that more money will go out to the old, and there is less money for the young to get kids and add to the next generation. This is in part why there are so few kids these days, it's simply too expensive to have any.

Lowering your population slowly and carefully is fine. Having your population drop off a cliff like it's happening in many counties world wide is a disaster

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Then good news! Globally we're still over 2.1

[–] Contrary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Crazy that we live in a world where you can watch the damage of demographic shifts in real time, and that's still not enough to convince you that it's a problem.

The modern world doesn't scale down, and we have yet to figure out a solution.

[–] Leg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

I'm personally aware that this is a pretty serious problem. I'm also aware I'm not the one who caused it, nor is it my duty to solve it. Answers have been proposed and ignored, so I'm not having kids. Oligarchs get no slaves from me.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not a problem unless you were counting on collecting social security

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Millenials and younger don't tend to include retirement in their plans. Death is the plan for us, 100 million in America is all that is planned, should AI not pan out.

The rest of the world, they plan to exterminate.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That last sentence is not clear. Who is planning and who is exterminating? American Millenials are exterminating the rest of the world? The rest of the world is planning to exterminate... someone? Their own population?

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

Not clear after the Epstein class reveal? The most important discovery of the 21st century?

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know if I plan on being around that long

[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You could withhold your taxes but doing that would be too large an action for most Americans.

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a great way to ensure you won't be around that long.

[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

That was gonna happen anywy

[–] orenj@leminal.space 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But what about the orphan grinder? Wont somebody think of the orphan grinder?

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 2 days ago

The machine needs cogs!

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[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 35 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Tax-funded retirement is fucked, but like, who still thinks they're having one.

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[–] tooks@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I can't think of anything more irresponsible and selfish than procreation in the 21st century. Why would anyone want to end their own life and subject themselves to the stress of ensuring their craft human survives and becomes a relatively average coal miner.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] tooks@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago
[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not going to fault someone who has the means to provide for a child for making that choice. It's a very personal one, just as not having a child is.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 50 points 3 days ago (10 children)

But think of billionaires' bottom lines!

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[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I am more than willing to fix the declining birth rates in every country but nobody is accepting my offers =/

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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

Yay! Less humans to create less suffering!

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 8 points 2 days ago

Way ahead of you.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

I make it my personal responsibility in life to constantly bring up the necessity of immigration as the solution to age disparity and population decline. There are working people. There are as many as you could ever need, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds. It's never going to be an issue which can't be solved with immigration.

[–] binux@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't see how this is a solution so much as delaying the problem for future generations to deal with. What happens when the countries the immigrants are coming from start to face the same issue (if it isn't happening for them already?) It's basically the population equivalent of the "one more lane bro" philosophy.

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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (7 children)

If growth doesn't compensate for shrinking working population, you'll be fucked. Somone has to work so you have your retirement.

[–] WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Not really, we're just being looted and exploited by the ownership class. We have plenty of productivity to take care of everyone: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

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[–] xia@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] asg101@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago (8 children)

The oligarchs haven't figured that out quite yet. They want to starve us out of existence, but still want to pig out at the government troughs. Where is that money going to come from when all the jobs are being done by AI and robots?

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