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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 1 points 58 seconds ago* (last edited 33 seconds ago)

I make it my personal responsibility in life to constantly bring up the necessity of immigration as the solution to age disparity and population decline. There are working people. There are as many as you could ever need, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds. It's never going to be an issue which can't be solved with immigration.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I am more than willing to fix the declining birth rates in every country but nobody is accepting my offers =/

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago

The sperm bank would

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago

Yay! Less humans to create less suffering!

[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Tax-funded retirement is fucked, but like, who still thinks they're having one.

[–] twopi@lemmy.ca 2 points 59 minutes ago

All retirements will collapse not just public ones. It's called the asset meltdown hypothesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqSwRHc-1MQ

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Old people aren't investments

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Well, with that attitude probably not.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 5 hours ago

But there’ll be fewer workers for the oligarchs to lay off! How are they going to signal to shareholders that operating costs will be lower next quarter?

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

But think of billionaires' bottom lines!

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't live in the US so mostly I'm thinking of who's gonna pay for my retirement and healthcare when I'm old.

I'm paying for the current old people's retirement and healthcare. That's fine, it's the social contract we have in our nation: everyone gets taken care of and those who can work, pay a lot of tax to make it happen. If the population decline gets bad enough, there will be no one to do the same for my generation.

Oh and they populist conservatives did a pension reform so you can take out whatever you've gathered in your second pillar even at age 20 if you want (at which point it'll probably be in the hundreds of euros lol) and can't resume payments (which were matched by the government - you pay 2, 4 or 6 percent and government pays 4% of your gross income) for 10 years. Worst deal ever for most people taking it out if they want to retire at one point. And a third of the population took it out. They now have to fully depend on the first pillar (government) pension, which isn't based on past investments at all, it's taken from the working population's social taxes when you retire. So far more directly affected by the population decline. I'm betting they'll eventually forcibly fuck it up for the rest of us to pay for the retirements of those who took it out.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Most countries have billionaires pulling strings at the top.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au -5 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

I hate to break it to you YuckyTom but no matter how you slice it a declining birth rate means a shittier situation for you in your retirement. Most people who think about anything other than retweets and boobs care about this.

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 2 points 42 minutes ago

I can assure you that pour endless growth model will make things really shitty by the time I retire. In fact, it's possible our endless growth model has already made my retirement irreperably shitty.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

You mean suicide? That's what I'm reading from these comments, that these people plan to off themselves.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] fizzle@quokk.au -2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Ok, imagine I said twilight years.

You may not "retire" but inevitably there will be a period before you die where you are less productive and generally less able than you previously were.

When you reach this period, the more people there are being productive and paying taxes the better your circumstances will be.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

lol twilight years. Us millennials are all dying before 60.

[–] pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The more people there are being productive, the better off the billionaires will be. You are going to be fucked regardless.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 1 hour ago

Sure but aren't you interested to know that you're going to be more fucked than previously forecast?

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 1 hour ago

Don't you want to be less fucked?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Unless you've already retired, you likely never will.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au -3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry?

I acknowledge that things are perhaps more difficult than they ever have been, but "no one gets to retire" is unnecessarily gloomy.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 1 hour ago

"Fluffy, fetch ball!"

[–] xia@lemmy.ca 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] asg101@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The oligarchs haven't figured that out quite yet. They want to starve us out of existence, but still want to pig out at the government troughs. Where is that money going to come from when all the jobs are being done by AI and robots?

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Their plans don't include money like we have it today

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

See that's the neat part when it comes to tech oligarchs, specifically. They believe in TESCREAL/Transhumanism so they're aiming to become the AI robots! YAY! /s

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 1 points 24 minutes ago

Then we turn them off.