So.. voting to create the illusion of lower gas prices while not increasing miles per gallon?... I hate it here...
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I love how americans are going bonkers when their fuel prices are simply approaching eu prices(worst case scenario was still 25% from eu prices). Its also funny that all this is self inflicted.
EU infrastructure is way waaaaay better for handling a life without a car.
In most of the US a car is a necessity.
So the GQPedos plan is to use more ethanol, something they've been whining about for decades. Meanwhile, the Dems are trying to cut the (hasn't been inflation adjusted in 30 years) gas tax to further screw over the future AND help their opponents in an election year. USA! USA! USA!
welcome to America the "fuck anyone who isn't a rich white male pedophile" country.
They'll do this but refuse to support renewable energy
Well yeah, their entire lives have been spent sucking oil dick, their entire foundation of their wealth is tied up in oil, and even though they're rich enough to pivot entirely and never feel a difference in their lives, they're stuck in the sunk cost mentality.
It's too risky to invest in a brand new industry that's on shaky legs. Never mind that it stopped being a "new" industry decades ago and has proven it will do quite well, and is thriving. They stopped paying attention to real life many many decades ago. As far as they are concerned, they didn't have to do any sort of personal growth, so they are woefully out of touch with reality.
Oil is what was there when they (or their parents they inherited wealth from) were kids, so obviously they have to dig their heels in to keep oil from flopping. Anything else is secondary.
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If America was a person on a raft dying of thirst then we're at the part where they start gulping down ocean water.
MAGA started drinking the ocean water a long time ago because woke lib science told them it was dangerous.
"dumb libruls what u think gatoraids is? it be same thing huh huh"
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However, while the E15 rollout can lower prices, ethanol does contains less energy than gasoline, so eventually with E15, a driver will end up burning more fuel for the same amount of distance, albeit fuel which is slightly cheaper than standard gasoline.
MAGAs are dumb enough to think they're getting some kind of deal
"I used to only fit $50 of gas in my truck, now I can fit $100. Lol checkmate libs"
Ethanol also rots the internal works of your vehicle so vehicles will disintegrate and people will be forced to buy new vehicles in 2027+ which will all have mandatory big brother spyware.
Most vehicles made past about 2004 are all ethanol safe up to maybe E20. You ideally shouldn't, but e15 won't ruin them.
Anything older though... God have mercy on your soul.
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This also increases pollution
If you ask yourself “which option causes more pollution?” about nearly any policy, you’ll get the entire Republican platform
Republicans vote to hide their fuckup at a cost to the American people
Again
Yea dilution will also destroy our gas engines and force people into buying pedo welfare queen Elon’s teslas
Yeah, in the EU there's a law that petrol has to be 10% non-fossil energy for 95 and 5% for 98 IIRC. Now, most stations skirt by it by producing "green" natural gas or just buying clean energy certificates or whatever it is they do, but when the law came out, there was a big deal because it turns out a lot of older cars aren't cleared for E10. I imagine even fewer are for E15.
It's not so much that it'd kill the engine. That's unlikely to happen for MOST engines. What it will do is destroy the fuel hoses. And if you have a stupid early direct injection petrol engine with a membrane based high pressure fuel pump (fuck you, GM! I think a few others used that design too though), that pump's not gonna like ethanol. If the high pressure fuel pump fails and your engine runs lean, that might indeed kill an engine though.
Yeah I only run 98 (Australia, no ethanol) in my MK6 golf. I'd love to be able to run E85 or E10 but that requires new hoses and an ECU tune. I'd do the hardware myself and have a shop handle the ECU, however time is such a valuable thing these days.
98 around here is approx 2.15 / L or 5.80~ per galon. E85 is similar in price to 98, while E10 is around 1.70.
2.15 / L
If that's in AUD, people round here would kill for that. We're at about 1.80 euros per liter here, but it goes above 2 every now and then. Diesel and Petrol are roughly the same price and no real difference between 95 and 98 either.
Our fuel prices are subsidized by the government currently. They were climbing for a while when I was walking / riding so I'm not over how mad they had become. Back in the car during rain / shit weather but prices seem much more acceptable currently.
In Norway, 98 is still ethanol free for older cars and engines only used seasonally like lawn mowers and snow plowers.
95 is of course (up to) 10% and that’s completely fine for anything even remotely modern and in use every now and then.
Like you said: hoses don’t like the ethanol, and it’s hydroscopic which is what can cause issues if left in for 6 months every year.
In Norway, 98 is still ethanol free for older cars and engines only used seasonally like lawn mowers and snow plowers.
In Estonia, they straight up recommended getting alkylate petrol for lawn mowers and such when the law came that 95 should be 10% ethanol and 98 5%. That stuff is pretty expensive. But since the law had a loophole in it, nearly no chain sells ethanol in their fuels at this point (though there are a few that will sell you high ethanol content fuel for racecar use, I think it was E85)
95 is of course (up to) 10% and that’s completely fine for anything even remotely modern and in use every now and then.
GM's Z22YH can't handle it for an example. Opel used it in the Zafira B and Vectra C up till 2010. Once you upgrade it to use Renault's F5R engine's high pressure fuel pump for better reliability, it'll work, since Renault/Bosch engineers were sober when it was designed, as opposed to GM/Siemens.
There are a few other manufacturers who claim their cars made in the 00s or early 10s don't take E10, but I cba to look for the list. To me that's still "remotely modern" since I grew up poor enough that my first car was older than myself lol
Like you said: hoses don’t like the ethanol, and it’s hydroscopic which is what can cause issues if left in for 6 months every year.
Technically I don't think you should regularly leave fuel in that long even if it's ethanol free. Though I've never had bad fuel kill any of my equipment, oddly enough. I've got a rototiller that gets used twice a year and it doesn't even take the entire tank each time and I've never drained it. I've only used ethanol free on it though.
Yeah they recommended the same alkylate here.
I have to admit: I know very little of GM engines, and they sell very few cars here. It's becoming even less relevant as EV's are just dominating completely, passing 97% here last month.
For me personally it's the snow blower and motorcycles, but both of those are new enough to handle E10. I still give them 98 as they sometimes have to sit idle due to weather, and we have winter from October to April.
I've heard the same about petrol being stored, but I've never had issues either. At least a year seems to be more than OK, but that is always 98.
95 E10 might be worse as it absorbs water over time...
Hope your rototiller works fine next time you use it !
Hmm, round here GM (Opel and Saab) was very common in the 00s. Now Saab is long gone and Opel was sold to Stellantis.
It worked fine, used it today, just before the rain so now the ground is prepped for planting crops! Also got the tank nearly empty so I can fill it with fresh fuel in ~October when I need to use it again lol
Chainsaw is the other thing that doesn't get used a lot, but that has a super slow leak so if you leave it with half a tank, it'll be empty in a few months. Lawn mower I switched to battery powered and unfortunately I don't have a snow blower, I have to push my own snow :(
Though I think Makita makes a snowblower attachment for their weedwhacker multitool thingies so I might get one of those if my weedwhacker can run it. One fifth the price of a proper Husqvarna one.
Water down the gas, then contaminate the water with in a AI data center. Art of the deal! We will be so much winning you might get tried of all the winner! 🫲🍊🫱
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Real benefit: Combustion motor life cycle shortened enhancing planned obsolescence for manufacturer product cycles and future sales. Diluted gas is less efficient and despite paying less you’re actually paying more both near and long term. So much winning.
Fortunately, us Americans suck at math. A consequence of our “world class” public education.
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This is stupid. You have to use so much fucking gas to farm those fields. It just adds to the load.
And you simply end up buying more gas because it's less efficient if your car doesn't take it. So demand will actually increase. Which makes sense when you realize whose in charge.
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Everyone else votes to dilute Republicans.
You can't make this shit up....
This is literally the exact same kind of thing as USSR-aligned countries would do in the 80s. Back then it was "stupid communism", but today it's "glorious capitalism".
They support pollution and money. They can't make money off renewable energy.
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Damn, republicans are literally American BJP. It ain't even a metaphor anymore
Fucking assholes.
You know it's pretty neat they can use shrinkflation on gasoline sold by the gallon, i didn't know that was possible!
Capitalism breeds innovation after all!
I don’t think many people on here are into classic cars much, but if they allow more ethanol in gas that’s going to fuck up a pretty large amount of classic cars. Modern fuel lines are plastic to deal with the ethanol and impact resistance. before that we used rubber, and the current widely used (cheap) replacement fuel hose tolerates ethanol at the levels we had well enough for a few years.
So there’s a decent chance this would burn down a bunch of cars (and boats) when the fuel lines dissolve from the ethanol and start spilling gas.
It's not just classic cars, cars from the 2000s have rubber fuel lines as well.
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