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cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/45694113

Also see https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/russian-battlefield-momentum-slows-as-ukrainian-drones-target-logistics-18835

Not that CNN is a good source, the reason I posted the CNN link is because it is indicative that CNN is concluding this publicly and emphatically. It shows the calculus of US mainstream media is changing towards Ukraine, which is not something it has really done for quite awhile.

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 82 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I think that calling this a winning streak in the first place deeply misunderstands the dynamics of warfare. Ukraine have been intentionally trading land for time, allowing the Russians to advance at a contained, manageable rate, while inflicting a heavy and continuous cost on them in materiel and manpower.

Ironically, this is exactly how the Soviets defeated the Nazi invasion.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, only idiots think taking dirt (which has been shelled to hell and doesn't produce anything) is a strategic victory. Dirt doesn't mean anything. It only matters because it's a number that can be tracked, and has been in Russia's favor. Money spent/(GDP + reserves), lives lost/population, and resources lost/production capacity are numbers that dictate your ability to continue fighting. How much dirt you've taken hold of doesn't effect this.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago

To be fair, it's a little more nuanced than that, since much of that dirt has people living on it. But the crucial point is that, up to a point, lost territory can be regained. Lost manpower, materiel and political power are much harder to recover. Territorial gains only really matter if you can make them stick, especially when Ukraine can effectively, and literally, move their manufacturing into friendly territory beyond their own borders.

But you're absolutely right that Russia has essentially been claiming territory largely for the optics of it. It's gotten so bad that there are now credible reports of Russian units basically running the Ukrainian lines, getting as deep as they can before planting a flag and posting a photo (which will immediately be geolocated by OSINT sources) and then running back home.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

Taking dirt is the hardest part of war.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not an expert but from my understanding the soviet's tactics were quite a bit different from Ukraines.

The soviet's continuously threw away lives to stop the German advance. Constant attacks tossing way soldiers lives but slowly degrading the German supplies and manpower. The Soviet's also lost most of their industry early on in the war. Most of it was located in regions that Germany conquered quickly or their airpower wrecked in the early months of the war.

The only reason they were able to stop the German advance at all was because of the massive amount of goods and weapons supplied by England and the U.S.

Ukraine has set up heavily defended kill zones with multi-layered defenses. Russia's continuous attacks are chewed up in theses zones. Eventually Russia degrades the defenses enough that Ukraine retreats to the next prepared zone and starts over fresh. Ukraine has slowly lost ground but Russias entire Soviet era stockpiles have been decimated with these tactics.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Both are variations on a theme, and that theme is called Defence in depth

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

The Soviet term for this was glubokaya operatsiya or "deep operation", which is more commonly anglicised as "deep battle doctrine." But yes, you're absolutely correct that it's a variation on defence in depth.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

So, first off, we have to be clear about whether we're talking about tactics or strategy. Those are very different things. I'm describing strategy. We'll come back to that later. But when it comes to every layer of warfare, there's been a lot of Western myth-making about Soviet doctrine that doesn't really hold up to reality.

The beloved popular image is the "Human wave tactics", massed assaults where the Soviets senselessly and moronically launched huge waves of soldiers at heavily defended enemy positions in the vague hope that they would somehow eventually prevail.

I mean, obviously, that would be stupid right? Who would ever send a mass of troops and armour to assault a heavily defended enemy position?

Oops, how did that picture of D-Day get in here? Huh, can't imagine how that's relevant.

And no, I'm not criticizing the choices made on D-Day; I'm pointing out that a lot of what the West later recharacterized as a senseless waste of life on the Soviets part was just... well... warfare. The other belligerents engaged in plenty of their own massed assaults. It's not a uniquely Soviet tactic.

Now that's not to say that's no truth to the idea that the Soviets were willing to trade lives at a higher rate than other nations. The notion that the USSR could use it's vast manpower pool as a military resource was certainly present in the minds of Soviet generals, and some were known to be quite careless about their soldiers lives. But the popular image of troops being sent in mass waves without enough guns and ammo, a la Enemy At The Gates is basically a Hollywood invention.

Where Soviet battle doctrine most strongly diverged from their Western partners was in the question of attrition vs destruction. The West preferred a slow, grinding war, gradually beating down their enemies defenses. This avoided some of the more costly assaults that the Soviets were happy to engage in, but it also drew out the fighting. Warfare claims lives all the time, from sickness, cold, heat, hunger, accidents, endless skirmishes, bombardments, etc... The reality is that when you keep a mass of millions of troops on a frontline, every day will bring new deaths. When on the offensive, the Soviet calculation was that a faster victory at the cost of lives up front was preferable to a slow and grinding battle that is claiming lives constantly. While they weren't necessarily right about this, it was a decision that came from a genuine intent to win in the least costly way, not simply a callous disregard for casualties.

I'm not going to claim that any of this comes from a place of deep compassion. Stalin certainly had little care for the lives of individual soldiers. Not One Step Back was a real thing, and his own pride almost certainly played a part in the refusal to give up Stalingrad (it was, IMO, the right call either way - the Germans desperately needed the Ukrainian oil fields and Stalingrad was the best place to stop them - but a right call can still be made for the wrong reasons). But at the same time there was no point in squandering their labour force senselessly. Every dead soldier is a man who can't work in a factory or a field after the war is over. Those lives are valuable, one way or the other.

There is one other nugget of truth in the Western popular image of Soviet warfare, which is that generally Soviet tactics - a term that more or less refers to the section to company level of warfare - were relatively unsophisticated. That doesn't mean they were stupid, just simple. The Soviets were mobilizing a LOT of people very fast, and like every country in the world they were trying to adapt to a very rapidly changing state of warfare. They squared this circle by favouring simplicity at the squad level. Don't try to expect a guy from Siberia with zero education to memorize a tonne of shit, just give him clear and simple instructions about what to do when you make enemy contact. But while their tactics were simple, their operational and strategic thinking was much more advanced.

At the strategic level, which is really what my comments were about, the Soviets very smartly traded land for time in exactly the same way that Ukraine has. They knew that the Germans favoured speed and manuever, hyping themselves up on the myth of "blitzkrieg" (a propaganda term for "Truck, tank and amphetamines make army move fast"), so they allowed and encouraged the Germans to massively overstretch their own supply lines. As the Soviets retreated they sabotaged roads and railways, leaving the Germans with no way to maintain their own logistics. With stretched, inadequate supply lines (combined with the crippling lack of fuel that was a major factor in the decision to invade in the first place) the Germans struggled to maintain operational tempo as they increasingly found themselves floundering against the depth of Soviet defences. People love to talk about how General Winter saved the Soviets, but it wasn't actually winter, it was the fact that the Germans couldn't supply the food, fuel and equipment that their troops needed to survive winter. This, in combination with the fact that Germany deeply underestimated the depth of the Soviet's reserve defences, lead to their lightning advance rapidly bogging down into an endless slog. This wasn't luck, it was planning and forethought.

As a quick aside, the Soviets actually lost less of their industry than they should have, because they engaged in a massive program of evacuation, in which 1500 entire factories (along with 16 million civilians) were packed up and moved to the West of the Urals, out of range of German bombers. By the end of the war the Soviets were producing as many tanks as the United States, despite the latter having the advantages of a more advanced industrial base and not even being remotely under threat of invasion. Anyway, not actually super-relevant, I just think it's neat. Once again, planning and forethought.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also both didn't have another realistic option.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

True. But then a lot of strategy is knowing how to recognize the realistic option.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago

You're giving way too much credit to soviet "tactics"

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

So give even more support to ukraine so that they can finally kick the ruskies out

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 17 hours ago

Unfortunately Iran needs it more.

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Over the past four years Russia has been ever so slowly gaining small amounts of territory, bit by bit.

I guess that can be described as a "winning streak", because if that continues infinitely without change, eventually in a couple of hundred years they would have all of Ukraine's land.

However, that ignores the cost of war, and how Russia will pay for keeping that up.

[–] Furbag@pawb.social 3 points 18 hours ago

Unfortunately I fear the easing of Russian oil sanctions due to Trump's latest military folly in Iran will give Russia's economy the jump start it needs to continue the war for longer than it would have been able to otherwise.

Hopefully I'm wrong. Ukraine has suffered enough.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I think the article is clear about what it means by that. It mentions that technically Russia was slowly gaining territory, although at a cost that might not be sustainable. And now those gains have slightly reversed - at least for now (and hopefully that trend will continue).

[–] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The same sort of winning the US is doing in Iran

[–] Tolc@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

oh thats so much winning, they must be tired of winning by now

[–] SoloCritical@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Love that you can’t even read it without paying.

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Bots here trying to drive traffic / subscriptions.

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

? I could read the entire article without a paywall

Edit: apparently that was my free article of the month lol

[–] zeroConnection@programming.dev 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You just read your one free monthly article

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago

Ohhh I gotcha I didn't catch that when I went on it

[–] SoloCritical@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

I click and start scrolling down and it pops up saying something about subscribe to get unlimited articles and streaming. You must not have hit your “free reads” limit.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Starting a war isn't good, but now that Russia has started it, it's important for Ukraine to continue receiving support to regain its territory and assert its territorial integrity, or Russia will inevitably start another war to take more. Allowing Russia to keep any of Ukraine's territory is a tacit acceptance of its geopolitical tactics.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz -2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What's important is human life

[–] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Stopping Russia from conducting ethnic cleansing in Ukraine preserves human life.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz -2 points 8 hours ago

I was not trying to ignore what you said or pretend The Russian psychotic unhitched desperate fucks are okay to be whatever they are

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz -4 points 11 hours ago

Fuck off I said fuck war

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 11 hours ago

Nothing. Fuck all that war profiteering.