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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Valve certainly isn't perfect, and I used to buy more games on GOG. But then I noticed those games, which initially had Linux support, were no longer getting updated or working properly on distros. Their Linux support just kind of fizzled out.

On the flipside, even in it's early days, Steam/Proton made Linux gaming such a far nicer experience. If Proton were proprietary, I would stay away from Steam still. But what Valve is doing for Linux and free and open-source software is a net good right now, and that is worth supporting.

There are things that suck about Steam, like the drm. Just the other day I had a game running and also tried to run a second game through GameNative only to find Steam only allows me to run one game at a time, dumb. And there will probably be a day when Valve pulls some kind of enshittified bait and switch like Google is doing with Android right now.

And when that day comes it will be necessary to fork and forget them. But until then I'll enjoy the ride.

[–] aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

Technically they only block the second game launch if both are online. If you switch steam to offline mode, you can launch as many games as you want.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 0 points 35 minutes ago

That's slightly better, but the salient question is, how would these things function in system that overall is more rights respecting and built on free software principles? It's still an anti-feature, it's still drm, and it's still a component of a part of Steam that is proprietary.

While Steam is doing a lot of good, it can't be forgotten that the majority of their systems are still not free software, and still fall far short of a more ideal platform.

What'd be really nice to see is maybe something like Bazaar but with a gaming focus. A much more open storefront that can still allow game devs to be compensated for their work.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It shows how low the bar is. We can eat him last.

[–] sanitation@lemmy.radio -2 points 6 hours ago

Leave gabe alone. Leave him alooonee.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Guillotine ALL billionaires

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Is this just blind zeal for dogma, or do you have any scrap of justification to mob justice this guy? To be blunt, I can point to evils that Gabe is responsible for, and if you can cite one, I'll support ya - but if you're oversimplifying "rich = evil" because it's a convenient and fun, than you're as evil as those you'd behead.

In the wake of the French revolution many good people died for the crime of being distantly related to a noble. After we murder a few billionaires, can we take their money and make a gift of it - we could then gift billions of dollars to anyone we don't like and murder them for being a billionaire! It's a perfect system!

Yes. Gabe is rich - but honestly their behavior is by and large the practical example by which other billionaires are condemned. If all billionaires were as responsible as Gabe, society would be much less inclined to grab their pitchforks in the first place - we'd still have a broken system that needs fixing, but without gaudily selfish billionaires I'd be optimistic that it could be fixed without bloodshed.

[–] wylinka@szmer.info 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

All rich people are evil, it's obvious. If you end up with a lot of money and you're somehow not evil, you'll give it away instead of becoming rich.

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I don't believe you. I believe you're earnest, I just also believe you're wrong. If you grew up in a modern industrialized nation with luxuries like plumbing, sub millimeter precision engineering, electricity, internet - are you suggesting we tear those things down because others don't have access to them? 'Cause if no, I have news for ya, buddy - by the standards of history, you're exceedingly rich. You wouldn't understand though because all rich people are evil, obviously. 🙄

[–] wylinka@szmer.info 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago)

There's a difference to having plumbing and having useless shit like holiday houses, private swimming pools, luxury cars, gold tat etc. And a multi-millionaire like Gabe Newell can even buy all of that and still have a lot of spare money to pay off anyone for any reason. Why would any single person be entitled to that?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Gabe worshipping is cringe. he's a dude. have some self respect.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

capitalist. he’s not a dude.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

he just happens to run a business that is beloved by its customers and that fact is not lost on him

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I'm not a fan of him, but other tech billionaires have been engaged in publicly shaming or calling for vendettas against anyone angering them. Or indulging in shameless shows of wealth. Or simping for cruel politicians in exchange for asshole policies favoring white Christian males -- and enormous tax breaks. Or aiming to destroy anyone opposing them by using information stolen from the masses.

[–] Medic8teMe@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

Let's all celebrate the capitalist pig!

[–] tanteregenbogen@piefed.eurocomsocial.de 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Why does this dude have to be a billionaire? Like he has some decent views, but being a billionaire generally not ethical unless you are a billionaire in Indonesian Rupiah, because then it would only be tens of thousands of Euros.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

I don't think it's necessarily evil to become a billionaire. But remaining one absolutely is.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Man simply got rich on the platform he helped created. Hardly recall any instance he asked for more.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

there is no such thing as “simply” when it comes to capitalists.

[–] MoffKalast@lemmy.world -3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Valve still takes 30% of revenue for every game that's sold on Steam. Granted, you do get a fair bit for it: payment processing, deployment, advertising, statistics, workshop. But the average street mob boss who takes a cut for letting you have a brick and mortar store in his territory still only takes 10%, so that's that for comparison.

Maybe Gaben wouldn't have a superyacht and Valve wouldn't be designing ultra expensive custom hardware if they took the same share as a criminal mob boss, instead of driving indi game studios out of business.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Real curious where you got that 10% figure from. Like I know you pulled it out of your ass 'cuz in my experience the real number is a flat fee for your business sector (do you really think the mob is running a tax service to calculate amounts owed??) but dude there's no standard here. Also indie game studios are absolutely flourishing right now, especially on steam.

There's real reasons to criticize Steam, maybe use some of them instead of just making stuff up?

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 64 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Gabe doesn’t do a lot of interviews and mostly keeps out of the public eye. Elon Musk also had a lot of fans until he started running his mouth too much and revealing who he really is.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

We already know a bit about Valve's internal culture due to leaks and interviews, and it's dysfunctional but in a completely different way from almost every other company.

Thanks to having a small headcount plus more money than God, Valve has zero (internal) pressure to release, and has embraced a culture of freedom where developers can work on whatever they want. This has led to tons of Valve projects getting 80% finished before being abandoned once they reach the final stages of development and are no longer fun to work on. Every release they've managed since Steam took off has been due to a few major players with the charisma to swing others to join their pet projects and stay for the long haul.

In a rarity for the field, I'm not aware of any toxicity issues in Valve's workplace or a single complaint about Gabe himself. Those who've quit have nearly always said it's because their passion project got canned due to it being so hard to get anything past the finish line. Other than that, employees seem to love working there (the massive paycheck probably helps too).

Gabe seems to be held in high regard, even though the internal structure he's cultivated is such a mess. And I still prefer this clusterfuck of inefficiency to literally any other AAA developer.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 22 points 20 hours ago (17 children)

It's amazing how many people drop the whole "nobody becomes a billionaire by being a good person" rhetoric as soon as you mention their pet wholesome chungus billionaire.

You guys are just as bad as the people that defend musk because "he's real life Tony Stark! He makes rockets and electric cars!!!!"

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[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

He isn't perfect but he represents what could work about capitalism if there were proper safeguards. With him, he's governed by his own choices or morals, so the current system doesn't work because most rich people don't care. Gabe:

Provides a good base product

The product is based on being ran on open hardware that you own.

Uses his own money to advance support for a true open standard (Linux) because Windows is going down the toilet for UX.

Creates his own hardware that works with the product to give a walled garden experience if you want that. Or you can install your own operating system on the hardware, or install his operating system on other hardware, he doesn't care.

Doesn't have anticompetitive practices with people that make a similar product, focusing on being the best product.

Incorporates ease of use for other products into his product (PlayStation controllers, adding non steam games that are able to use most of the same features via Steam including Proton).

Treats employees well.

Is generous with the refund policy.

And guess what? Everyone is happy. He's happy and rich AF, his employees are happy, his customers are happy, his competition is happy because he's not purposefully throttling them (though they probably aren't happy he's eating their lunch because customers don't want them). The system can work for everyone if it is fair. We just need to demand these safeguards because even Gabe could change his mind at any time.

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