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[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the primary reason there's so much psychological revulsion in this thread is because the only times you see something like this on Earth is in deep cave footage

And typically these types of ecological niches are completely filled with insects

Evolution primes the brain to pay attention to threats

No insects? They're hiding. —> Dread/Fear

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[–] WhyDoYouThinkThat@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)
[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Have you ever thought about what it must be like in space? That shit is scary. We take for granted that we have an atmosphere to disperse light, as well as a ground for light to reflect off of. In space, some shit could be right in front of you and you would have no idea. If there were an asteroid between you and the sun, you wouldn’t realize until it was so close that there was a huge black spot covering the sun up.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

It is a very safe place, as all people are extremely far away.

[–] wols@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Immediately made me think of Lake Mungo

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Perhaps because you can see mountains at the same scale that allows you to clearly see the object's horizon/curvature. It would be like if Earth had mountains thousands of miles high. It's a landscape that feels deeply unnatural.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Because of the soildier attempting to hide behind the rock (middle right)

It reminds me of city snow piles that are almost melted out.

[–] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is fascinating, this rock that hurtals threw the black void of space for billions of years, and here it is. Photographed. If we can get here, we can go anywhere.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Voyager could reach Proxima Centauri in about 75000 years at the current speed (if it was aimed at it).

The biology, sociology and physics of interstellar travel are brutal and unforgiving.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, but as long as we don't self-destroy, I'm pretty certain we'll master it. The achievements of humanity are already remarkable. I mean, being able to split atoms and safely harness the produced energy is pretty incredible. Fusion, which seems impossible in many aspects, is closer and closer to our grasp every day. I am convinced that interstellar travel in a reasonable time for humans will be achieved eventually. But of course not in our lifetime, far from it.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem is it is a hard, physical limit imposed by spacetime itself. No matter the source the energy required to go even a fraction of the speed of light is beyond belief.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Disclaimer: I'm nowhere close to being a professional in the field. If you are or simply know more than I do, please correct me.

But interstellar travel doesn't have to be based on higher speed, just like we didn't expand our energy production by mining and burning coal faster. We found ways that produce much, much more energy in the same time without needing to keep improving our fuel production. Why wouldn't we be able to find ways to travel much, much further in the same time without improving our speed?

We know spacetime can theoretically be manipulated: anything with a mass does to some extent. Why wouldn't we be able to harness that someday?

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you REALLY want to dive into it there are a lot of good videos on youtube that go deeply into it. I have a background in astrophysics so I'll toss a few points out.

First of all space is massive. REALLY REALLY massive. Don't let small numbers like 4 light years make you think it is trivial. If the sun and earth were reduced to a distance of 1 inch the nearest star would be over 4 miles away. This isn't like crossing an ocean faster. Theories of spacetime manipulation (I assume you mean wormholes or "bubbles") are just pure conjecture. No evidence of such has ever been seen in nature and even in theory they require exotic forms of matter (such as negative mass) that are purely theoretical and massive (solar level) amounts of energy.

  1. I want to get there within a generation. Therefore you must go at a significant percentage of light speed just to reach the nearest star.
    1.1. Energy costs grow ASYMPTOICALLY with relativistic speeds, not linearly. You'd have to carry so much fuel (fusion or fission doesn't matter) that you hit the rocket tyranny issue very quickly. More fuel to move requires more fuel which requires more fuel, etc. To move 1 kiloton of mass at 10% of light speed requires about as much energy as 2,000 Tsar Bombas, the biggest thermonuclear weapons ever made. Using hydrogen fusion it would require 1,440 metric tons of hydrogen at a 50% efficiency (very good) rate for each kiloton of mass.
    1.2. Solar power isn't an option. Chemical fuels aren't energy dense enough. Nuclear power helps but even that requires massive amounts of propellants, not to mention the radiation they produce. Matter-antimatter is the strongest but containment for decades is unlikely and the total amount of antimatter produced by all of our particle accelerators is about 20 nanograms. One glitch would cause the instant destruction of the ship.
    1.3. If you want to send people that means you are talking about many, many kilotons of mass. Most spaceship designs we've imagined go from thousands of tons to billions for multigenerational ships.
    1.4. At relativistic speeds even the vacuum of interstellar space, at about 1 atom per cubic cm, starts to resemble having a particle accelerator aimed at you for decades. Even small dust grains hit with tremendous energy. Light becomes blue shifted in front of you and more energetic. This would require even more mass for shielding. Magnetic shielding requires massive magnets and incredibly strong fields at those energies so even more fuel.
    1.5. If you intend to visit anything and not fly by it you now need DOUBLE (at least) the fuel and cannot depend on earth based schemes.
    1.6. Scooping up interstellar hydrogen for fuel costs more energy than it produces.

  2. Ok, we'll go slowly. We'll putter along for maybe TENS OF THOUSANDS of years.
    2.1. Multigenerational ships now must be totally self contained with NO outside resupply, raw materials, energy, parts, etc. Absolutely nothing can be lost. Practical issues that exist regardless of the technology appear. Things break, things wear out. You have to have the means to manufacture your own equipment and fix those repair machines too. You have to be totally self sustained and we have never been able to keep a totally enclosed biological environment going for more than a few months.
    2.2. Sociologically you hit issues of who will lead? What are the ethics of knowing generations will be born into a ship they can never escape on a mission they never chose? What if things break down sociologically like they have on expeditions and remote bases on earth? After thousands of years they may decide they have had enough of being isolated.
    2.3. Fast or slow you've left the protection of earth's magnetic field and even the sun's heliosphere. You are now subject to the constant barrage of high energy radiation permeating space. Cosmic rays that can punch through 20 stories of concrete cannot be blocked by any reasonable shield. They will constantly cause biological, especially genetic, damage. Slap on more shielding? Ok, that's more fuel.
    2.4. Communication with earth becomes a year long process or more. Anything you ask will take at least 2 years to get a response at 1 light year.
    2.5 The fastest object we've sent out so far is the Voyager. It used gravitational assists due to a rare planetary alignment. At its speed it would take ~75,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri.

  3. Forget sending people, we'll send robots!
    3.1. Sending gram sized probes with massive solar sails has been proposed. You are now trying to cram all of your tech into something the size of dice.
    3.2. The solar sail would need to be huge, thinner than a human hair, but still able to handle the intense power of gigawatt lasers from earth without deforming. The lasers would have to produce energy equivalent to that produced by the entire USA.
    3.3. It wouldn't be able to stop, it would be a flyby mission with less than a day to gather any info.
    3.4. A tiny object would have to transmit this back to earth somehow and be picked out of the noise and radiation of the star it is visiting. Like detecting a match on Mars while staring into a searchlight.
    3.5 It would also be subject to the barrage of interstellar atoms, radiation and occasional dust particle.

I'm sure I'm leaving some points out but these are the basic issues people have run into analyzing it. Many of them are fundamental to spacetime itself and cannot be "out teched".

[–] iglou@programming.dev 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Thank you for the very long and detailed reply! I do understand that our current understanding of spacetime makes it impossible to do interstellar travel.

I have a background in physics, and although I ended up switching to a different field, there is some fundamental aspects of the field that it helped me understand. The most important one is that it is not an absolute truth, it is the best truth we came up with based on our interpretation and modelling of reality. So I am always careful with tossing around words like "impossible".

Yes, all those hard limits make it impossible for our generation, the next, and probably 4, 5, 10 or 20 more down the line to even consider it. I unfortunately do not remember enough of my uni days to give out examples, so perhaps you can help me here... Brilliant minds in the past have proven that some things considered impossible by the understanding of physics at the time were actually possible.

Now, yes, anything with spacetime manipulation today is conjecture and science fiction, and again, I'm not saying we'll be travelling to even the closest neighbouring star system anytime soon. What I am saying is, we don't know that much about spacetime yet. We know some, we have proven some, but not much. My point is: We have found so many ways around impossibilities that I doubt that (if our civilization doesn't collapse under its own collective stupidity) we can't find ways around these ones too, wether it's in 200 or 2000 years.

Edit: Of course there are some things we'll probably never do. We'll probably never go below the absolute 0, we'll probably never go close to the speed of light either. But that doesn't mean we can't work around these hard limits to achieve goals that they are gating.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Glad you are curious! Maybe you'll have a dramatic daydreaming insight and solve it. :D

One thing worth looking into is the "Fermi Paradox". It concerns not only the possibility of intelligent life and communication but interstellar travel. If interstellar travel were possible in even thousands of years and the development of intelligent life capable of achieving it were possible in the current age of the universe then we should've seen signs of it flooding the galaxy by now. We haven't seen a single peep.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago

I'll let you know after my round trip to Proxima Centauri :D

I know about the Fermi Paradox! The resolution of it that makes most sense to me is the Great Filter idea. Looking at our own civilization... Yeah. That checks out.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

If we can get here, we can go anywhere

in a few thousand years at light speed.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not quite anywhere. The rocket equation is a bitch that way. Nor does the hardware live forever, or even us.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Space isnt quite empty either. There maybe extremely few particles in space, but its more than zero. Spacecraft will slow down and stop eventually. It just takes a long time.

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 91 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Scientists: Yes, we finally did it! We captured a picture from our probe that touched down on a big rock in space! We are awesome!

Me: Holy shit! That is so cool, you are awesome! What did the rock look like?

Scientists: Like a big fucking rock

Me: Dude, no way!

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Don't forget the endless abyss that was pictured too.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

endless abyss with distant pockets of potential wonder!

(Lovecraft vs Star Trek)

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[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 105 points 3 days ago (13 children)

With pictures like this it's so hard to convince my brain that it's not just a picture of a random boulder taken with flash at night.

[–] BigBrownDog@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

I was looking at pictures of Mars' surface from Curiosity with my uncle who is a lunar landing and science denier. He said, "That could be taken at any desert on Earth." I was like NO SHIT! You mean to tell me that other planets have rocks too?!?! No fucking way! What do you expect it to look like?

You and your 6th grade reading level somehow outsmarted two generations of NASA scientists and their massive coverup and lies about space exploration? No, you fucking dunce.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I worked on Landsat 9 a few years ago, and when I got on-console for my first shift after it launched, I remembered seeing the telemetry come down and thinking, huh, doesn't look any different than when we simulated the data...how do I know we actually sent it up there?

Then something went wrong that i had to fix and I snapped back to reality.

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I’m not sure why but this fills me with such inconsolable dread. Something about a dead cold rock floating through such vast nothingness.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

No, no, no. It actually isn't lifeless. It contains some small microbes that are virtually undetectable. Their only effect on the human psyche is to create paranoia, delusions of grandeur, and remove all traces of empathy.

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, and knowing the only reason you can see it is because of the lighting from the robot taking the photo. Otherwise it's just this thing shrouded in darkness flying through space at whatever ridiculously fast speed only to eventually run into something.

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[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It kind of reminds me of the comet from Outer Wilds, which was kinda spooky, in terms of having to land on this tiny object traveling very fast through space and navigate it

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Not even surprised that a hayabusa would be fast enough to make it to an asteroid.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Wait til you find out where the "haya" comes from 😜

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Something about it is a bit nauseating

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] zipsglacier@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Wow, this is even more amazing than I first thought

Hayabusa2 was launched on 3 December 2014 and rendezvoused in space with near-Earth asteroid 162173 Ryugu on 27 June 2018.[11] It surveyed the asteroid for a year and a half and took samples. It left the asteroid in November 2019 and returned the samples to Earth on 5 December 2020 UTC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayabusa2

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm just thinking about all the technical challenges to land a flying metal cereal box on a moving asteroid...

Man, this rocks.

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