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Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law

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[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I think Israel shouldn’t exist.

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Someone downvoted this, so I’m saying it again:

I think Israel shouldn’t exist.

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

ISRAEL SHOULDN’T EXIST GODDAMMIT

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

You downvote, I repeat. I can’t say it any bigger cause I already blew the largest font size but I don’t fucking care:

ISRAEL SHOULDN’T FUCKING EXIST.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 days ago

100 years dungeon!

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

the force is strong in this one

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I have no idea what that means, but Israel shouldn’t fuckin’ exist.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 9 points 5 days ago (5 children)

My balanced take:

Israel has a right to exist in it's original borders. So has Palatine. Israeli genocide by their political elite must be stopped. We need a blue helmet peace mission to separate both groups back into their homes and rebuild. They need long term help to get off their religious bullshit and learn to be good neighbors.

Having a law criminalizing a radical opinion is not in the interest of free speech and should have no place in Germany nor any place. You have the right to be stupid, I draw the line at violence. As should the law.

[–] Sualtam@lemmus.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Words incite violence. Every genocide starts with rethoric. We have t8 curtail speech. Everything else is 18th century naivité.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Discussion is healthy and being able to speak to people about their opinion is the only way to potentially change it. That's hard to do it their opinion is illegal. Which is why freedom of speech is so important.

You are speaking about fighting propaganda, which is another thing entirely.

[–] Sualtam@lemmus.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a naive take. The right to life, health and a peace for million of people is paramount to some hateful bigots right to free speech.

Human rights can conflict with eachother. We have to make a choice.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'll make an example you might understand: I'll block you now, see how you feel not being able to spill your fascist tea. ;)

[–] Sualtam@lemmus.org 1 points 1 day ago

Thank you for not wasting my time.

[–] Omodi@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

States don't have rights people have rights.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago

I tend to agree on a technicality. But the state is formed and represented by its it's people. Therefore there is a right to exist that's derived from the peoples right to exist as well as a right to defend themselves that derives from it's peoples right to safety. Let's just say Israel has gone somewhat overboard and the US is somewhat stoking that fire for religious and political reasons and that needs to stop.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Palatine

I have a feeling Germany isn't gonna approve of that one either. Especially since that's where the nukes are.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

They have unequivocally proberen that they cannot live in the middle east without starting shit. Maybe the Madagascar plan wasn't too bad an idea?

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 0 points 5 days ago

Israel has a right to exist in it’s original borders

Lebensraum.

No it doesn't.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It isn't a law yet luckily

I do wonder how this is even being considered. Do Germans not have legally protected free speech?

[–] chaitae3@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes we do, that doesn't prevent conservatives and nazis from saying stuff like that. They're shifting the Overton window.

[–] desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

like that

like what? ‘from the river to the sea’?

[–] chaitae3@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I meant like proposing to criminalise something that is obviously guaranteed by the constitution. They do that all the time.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Israel has as much right to exist as any other state.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Much as I hate states, a democratic state that proportionally represents all people in its territory has more right to exist than other states. Palesinians can't vote so Israel has less right to exist than some other states.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

Democracy doesn't need a state. If you hate states, then you shouldn't defend them tbh. They are inherently anti-democratic in the way they arbitrarily decide who is and isn't part of the represented group (e.g. by borders)

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't disagree but I think you are missing the point.

It shouldn't be legal to say Israel doesn't have a right to exist. People should be allowed to voice an option freely without fear of harm.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah and historic context is important. In Germany it is also illegal to say that the Holocaust didn't happen and that's a good thing.

[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 1 points 5 days ago

Maybe the German government thinks it's important for Jews to see how easy it is to fall for a Reichstag fire event.