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Minnesota is paying to expand ethanol infrastructure. Some experts say that’s a mistake (www.mprnews.org)

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“Ultimately, we want to use less fuel, not more, and so we should be looking at increasing vehicle efficiency more,” he said. “We should be looking at public transportation options.”

The article doesn't get into it much, but an acre of solar panels provides a lot more vehicle-miles than an acre of corn turned into ethanol.

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[–] cymbal_king@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A relevant and high quality video from Technology Connections about how poor of a use of land it is to grow corn for ethanol

[–] cravl@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago

Yes! I Iove this video with all my heart.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah yeah every single attempt to move away from fossil fuels is a "stupid bad poopyhead idea and here's three hundred pages of made up statistics and surgically crafted rhetorical devices to dissuade you" bla bla blaaaaaa

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

an acre of solar panels provides a lot more vehicle-miles than an acre of corn turned into ethanol.

In a Northern state?

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep. Corn ethanol is notoriously inefficient. It's well known to consume more energy and water than it can offset with its products.

Even when I was in university in Minnesota in the late 2000s my environmental sciences professor was campaigning to do ethanol from wild grasses and corn stalks, because it actually scales far better.

But... That doesn't subsidize the corn farmers so the proposal went nowhere.

[–] science4life@mander.xyz -4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No it's not.

Consume the limitless solar energy? Oh no. What will the sun do?

They already use corn stalks. The whole plant is used. And no.... Wild grasses aren't as fermentable as corn.

Distillation is low sugar ferment costs mush more.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Energy is consumed in watering, fertilizing, harvesting, shipping, and then the processing and fermenting.

Ratio is estimated at 1.34 for the whole system. Which is fucking terrible.

https://www1.eere.energy.gov/bioenergy/pdfs/energy_balance_of_corn_ethanol.pdf

And that doesn't even touch on the horrific water consumption of corn. Or the greenhouse gasses released in the production. Or the pesticide usage.

EDIT: while I thought the source I first linked had many valid points, I did some digging and found that the funding and politics of that source were suspect.

Here's a more reputable paper with deeper analysis of the water issue.

https://itspubs.ucdavis.edu/download_pdf.php?id=1467

[–] Kjell@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I can't comment on the vehicle-miles per acre but solar panels in Minnesota should produce plenty of energy from March-April until September-October. Many Germans have solar panels and Minnesota is south of Germany which means they have even more sun.