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Bernie Sanders warns ‘worst is yet to come’ in rallying cry against billionaires (www.theguardian.com)
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US senator appears at Manhattan rally alongside New York City mayor Zohran Mamdani, who cautioned that AI is ‘coming for human jobs’

Bernie Sanders has sounded an alarm over the US economy, warning “the worst is yet to come” unless workers overcome a “ruling class” of billionaires.

The US senator spoke at a rally in Manhattan on Sunday alongside Zohran Mamdani, the New York City mayor, who cautioned that artificial intelligence was “coming for human jobs” amid mounting concern over the technology’s rapid development.

As the pair headlined the launch of Union Now, a new drive to boost labor unions across the US, Sanders issued a bleak assessment of the consequences if workers fail to organize against billionaires like Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla and SpaceX; Jeff Bezos, executive chair of Amazon; and Donald Trump, the US president.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 66 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The reason these Sociopathic Oligarchs are so giddy about AI, to the point of investing corporation destroying amounts of money, is because they are so excited about replacing so many disgusting human workers with clean, tireless, obedient robots.

That's the bottom line - they are pushing AI so hard at your job because they want it to get good enough to replace you.

The Great Replacement Theory is real, it's just not Jews or undocumented immigrants you have to worry about, it's yourself. YOU are training your own replacement.

[–] MrSelfDestruct25@fedinsfw.app 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

All because they want slaves one way or another. Human or not.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

"The fact is, that civilization requires slaves. The Greeks were quite right there. Unless there are slaves to do the ugly, horrible, uninteresting work, culture and contemplation become almost impossible. Human slavery is wrong, insecure, and demoralizing. On mechanical slavery, on the slavery of the machine, the future of the world depends."

— Oscar Wilde

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's the stupidest thing since they're fighting against UBI at the same time. Robots taking everyone's jobs should be a utopian future to look forward to, but instead they're creating a situation that's universally bad for everyone including themselves. When nobody is employed and nobody has any source income, who's going to give the oligarchs more money via consumerism?

I know a lot of billionaires want to bring back a tech-flavoured version of feudalism where they live ~~like~~ as actual kings but even medieval peasants were given some form of bread and circus to keep them from rising up.

Billionaires right now are on track to create a duel between millions to billions of poor and hungry people against the tiny number of them. Without bread and circuses, the people have nothing to live for except overthrowing their oppressors

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

The stock market, thsy think they just invest in each other. The whole idea is not needing humans at all. If they could get the robots to mass produce their food then they wouldn't give a fuck if the companies make money. Hell they dont now and still earn billions a year.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

in so many things it just gets me how these things should be utopian but are dystopian because of powerful folks coopting and exploiting them. I should love smartphones and drones and ai and such rather than despising it all.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why do we allow the rich to be so powerful? Because they've amassed so many imaginary units?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

I think its because most of us are just looking to enjoy our days and our more concerned about what we can do in our lives and make things better than stopping people from making things worse. I mean my academic goals when young was research around gene therapy.

[–] b34k@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We all wanted Star Trek… but what we’re really going to get is The Expanse

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 4 days ago

One thing about playing cyberpunk 2077 is it feels so creepily close. Especially all the homelessness and the way the rental buildings worked.

[–] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

They seem to be convinced that we can no longer revolt against them. Only time will tell if they are correct if nothing stops them

[–] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And yet they want us to have many kids just in case it doesn't work. They have no regard for human lives and could care less if anyone beneath them suffers and dies. They need to have their wealth and power cut down to size or it will become reality...

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

They can make the robots do the expensive jobs and throw the human meat at labour tasks. And we just let it happen.

Right now, billionaires are generally a bunch of human losers propper up by other human losers. And we’re letting them run away with it to where, in a few decades or less, they’ll have a more genuine capacity for violence by controlling machines to the enforcement for them. It seems like no amount of media showing how this always goes will be enough to get people to stop powering up their own demise.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Bernie Sanders knows what he's talking about, and I agree with him; for example, he wants to eliminate The FED, which is the cause of a lot of our economical problems and wealth inequality.

I'd go into details, but there's a mod or two here who thinks that "bubble burst, buy low, inflation, bubble burst, buy low, inflation" could be a conspiracy theory or something (no joke). So, just look at the history of The Fed, what it was founded to do, and what it has done, instead.

You won't hear much about this in HuffPo or FOX or any other media conglomerate for obvious reasons.

Perhaps check out who has been on the board for the fed, and who they worked for before and after their term? It's very interesting. This is public information.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/

https://www.commondreams.org/news/sanders-bank-executives-federal-reserve

But don't tell anybody, it's a BIG SECRET

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'd love to see Bernie repeal the special law that Congress put into place to prevent people from looking up private plane information.

[–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How would a single senator repeal a bill?

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago

By introducing a bill to repeal it.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We need organization, this is all an exercise in futility without it. Organization in citizenry, on our own forums. Fediverse could work, but not like any that are set up now, we need a new one, with a better set up for what we need.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why do you think they made Palantir? It's to target organizers. They already tested their methods. Target the lead organizers and make them go away, before anyone even hears about them if possible.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

I know it, and this is just the latest iteration of targeting any organization of the people. We can go around these guys though, don't think we can't. The decentralized nature of the fediverse could be unstoppable as of now. We are more capable than they are, when we act in concert.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They're eager to eliminate the only means of resource acquisition we were left with, employment, the one we all depend on to stay alive, and don't really think very much about what we'll do when mass unemployment destroys lives and kills people.

[–] UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com 1 points 3 days ago

the revolution will live-streamed

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They can't wait to force everyone into abject poverty.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

They're already doing this systemically on a massive scale.

I've lost 2/3rds of my department at my job to AI. It's amazing how bad things are getting... The content the AI spits out is horrific, but CEO's and executives are firing people left and right anyway, drunk on the bonuses they are likely receiving as a result.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

What happens once everyone is forced into abject poverty, though? If we really play this out, what’s next? The push for AI comes across like the billionaires are saying “we won’t need you, anymore.” If that’s true, then what the fuck is the benefit of being a billionaire?

Take Zuckerberg for example. His income is derived from selling ads to potential buyers. Replace all the workers with AI, who exactly is going to buy anything from his ads? Where do they get the money from? Where do they get the free time to use Meta from?

The entire idea seems to be leveraging this fantasy ideology where the working class doesn’t need to be paid in order to consume, and like the billionaires aren’t dependents of the working class’ consumption. So, what am I missing that they apparently know? Why does any of this make sense to them?

Are they so beholden to capitalist ideology that even the blatantly obvious end result here is obfuscated by their need for short term gains? No, right? I mean… obviously that’s part of the situation, but there must be more. They’re banking on something, but what?

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You see once you are that wealthy more money doesn't really make a difference. If everyone around you is middle class and not desperate you have very little actual power.

Now on the other is hand, if you gut the middle class and make everyone poor they are suddenly desperate. Now you have power because people will do anything to survive.

The wealthy people need to make people poor in order to appreciate their wealth at this point. A strong middle class can tell them to fuck off, but a desperate poor class will do anything they tell them.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don’t believe such a thing is sustainable. Look to Iran, a similar dynamic where Israel would have liked to prevent Iranian independence. Independence to build strength, presence, sovereignty, … Israel had this idea that they would need to “mow the lawn” — which translates to bombing the shit out of them every once in a while.

This is like antibiotics. You kill the many of the entities, sure, but short of committing genocide, you’re left with a smaller population of more capable individuals. Those individuals will come back stronger and will demand harder, as we can see now with the emboldened Iran we’ve been left with.

It’s not a pretty path forward. But, I’m doubtful it will work out for them in the long run.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It is not sustainable and these policies will likely hurt the wealthy in the long run with decreased profits. They don't care about the long term though.

They are basically trying to take as much as they can and do enough damage that we can't undo what they pushed through easily.

Unfortunately they have been winning not just in the US but every developed country as seen in the ever growing wealth gaps.

The answer is small incremental changes/policies that will slowly eliminate the wealth gap without causing too much disruption.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

will likely hurt the wealthy in the long run with decreased profits. They don’t care about the long term though.

The ultra wealthy don't care as much about their own wealth, as much as the ratio of their wealth to the average person. Most billionaires would accept a decrease in their own quality of life in exchange for a bigger decrease in the average quality of life

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

They've murdered the planet and they're trying to buy the survival of their descendants. They're perfectly okay letting everyone else die and for their companies to collapse, so long as they get their place in the bunker/spaceship/whatever.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 4 days ago

What happens once everyone is forced into abject poverty?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

[–] lemmylump@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hey asshole with the gun thinking of shooting up a school or grocery store,you could actually be a hero if you target billionaires.

Plus, I'm told when they are shot coins explode out of them. Free coins!!

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago

Bernie doing a reverse Kimberly Guilfoyle in every aspect including truthfulness and sanity ✊🏼❤️