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[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 181 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Yeah, no. Segregation magically ending in 1954? The Civil Rights struggles of the 60s didn't happen? Redlining and Ghettoizing of Black communities? Destruction of Black families by mass incarceration of Black males and forcing families to stay apart to collect benefits, while vilifying single Black mothers as "welfare queens"? We have never, ever been in the green.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 76 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even slavery is still around.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hell, there were (are still?) segregated schools up until around 2000. I know at least one wasn't set to desegregate until sometime in the 90s.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I remember reading about a segregated prom in like 2013

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[–] Doom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The further north you go the more segregated it gets and still is today. But we never think of the northern states as segregated.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The northern states aren't really segregated, we just have like 99% white people.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

This is not true. Northern cities are still extremely segregated. We say it's because of economics now, but it's effectively segregation. The underlying causes of the economic disperity largely remain in place also.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

oregon isn't segregated it was just illegal to be black until some embarrassing time i forget

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

while vilifying single Black mothers as “welfare queens”?

You forgot the "best" part: poor people renting apartments end up subsidizing wealthier people living in single-family homes, because suburban sprawl doesn't generate enough tax revenue per acre to fund the infrastructure and services it consumes. The white middle-class bigots doing the vilifying are, themselves, the real welfare queens!

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago

Yeah, wtf. Martin Luther King got shot in 68. They just forgot to tell him that all is well for 14 years?

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

There was also a tiny sliver of reconstruction for 12 years in there too. Then the killing sliver at the end of that.

[–] wolfrasin@lemmy.today 92 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What is the US prison system but slavery with extra steps?

[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

there aren't even really extra steps considering slavery is perfectly legal in prisons according to the constitution

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It seems like less steps: consolidate the whole racket, let the state enforce and pay for it, and let the enslavers continue to profit.

This seems much easier and more reliable than the prior decentralized system of private enslavers.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The yellow should be orange and the green should be yellow and labeled "carcereal slavery"

[–] Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 month ago

I was going to comment something along these lines with the war on drugs, but legal slavery for imprisoned persons is a huge part of why the war on drugs was pursued and persists.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The civil rights act is from 1964, so even shorter time than the picture shows.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And after that, VRA, loving vs Virginia, fair housing act. Ending segregation was a gradual process that, by many metrics, still isn’t complete, but any date before 1964 or 1968 is a big fat lie.

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[–] Pman@lemmy.org 3 points 1 month ago

Its worse than that slavery against native Americans was earlier even if we only count territory that would be in the united states eventually and only by Europeans and their descendants, and the last person sold as a slave and the "owner" not being sentenced to life without parole was in world war 2.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There were news stories as recent as 2012 about schools in the south being segregated. There are still sundown towns. Segregation only ended on paper.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

My ex's family would talk about what they'd do to a black person if one ever stepped foot on their property. Within the last 10 years btw.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

If you count incarceration

We do. It is specifically and explicitly an exception in the US Constitution:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Well, American slavery never actually ended, we just call.it prison labor now. Segregation only really ended on paper. It's become less prominent I guess, but it's not gone.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 1 month ago

Remember that some places were forced to desegregate in the 1990s.

Green is incarceration and wage slavery

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What’s special about 1619 to be considered the start of American slavery?

[–] airbreather@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown%2C_Virginia

In August 1619, the first recorded slaves from Africa to British North America arrived at present-day Old Point Comfort, near the Jamestown colony, on a British privateer ship flying a Dutch flag.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s when England began colonizing the americas. Which is kind of arbitrary since there were slaves in the Americas before that and the founding of The United States of America was over 100 years later.

[–] Teppa@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Not every white person had a house either, and if they didnt then their family ended up losing a lot of compound growth, and ended up poorer as they payed somebody elses mortgage. What really happened I think is the lack of class mobility due to the financialization of everything, due to unlimited money printing and corporate bailouts.

The average mortgage was 7 years historically and somebody saving a ton could pay it off in under 5 years, instead of the massive 30 year loans backed by the govenment we have now. Its like as we got richer and more productive we simultaneously became poorer and can barely house ourselves, as food quality got cheaper with shrinkflation and industrialization.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I really don't where this influx of ~~mispelling~~ misspelling paid as payed over the last few years has come from, but it seems to be becoming more and more common.

For what it's worth, "payed" is a very old nautical term that means to spread tar on the deck of a ship.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I really don’t where this influx of mispelling

I really don't either. And it's misspelling. Cuz you know...

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Primus~ "Welp, no more slaves unless they are serving time in prison. It's a bummer."

Secundus~ "Well, let's put them in prison."

Primus~ "BRILLIANT"

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

The green section is still racism but without legal mechanisms.

[–] janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Not to split hairs on moral grounds, but shouldnt it be english slavery up until at least the revolutionary war started?

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

While the Brits outlawed slavery around 1830s for themselves, they had no problem loading slaves onto their ships and smuggling them to the Americas for a good while after. Plus they openly supported the Confederacy throughout the Civil War to keep the cotton rolling in. And of course we don't need to mention colonialism that lasted until after WW2 now, do we? Of course the French, Dutch, Spanish, and Germans also colonized every inch of some else's dirt to exploit them back to the Stone Age. And there was little hesitation to kill any and all that objected the "civilizing" effect of European influence.

And slavery is ongoing even as we speak in certain parts of this world. But we do nothing and care little about that. As long as they keep it on the down low we need not be overly concerned.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

England started ending slavery before the revolutionary war.

That's a major reason why the founding enslavers of USA concocted their own regime, but that reality has been mostly obscured.

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Still in the Americas, I suppose?

[–] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Did slavery actually end? i mean you work 9-5 sometimes with unpaid overtime, you get unpaid PTO, you don't get any health insurance, you don't have enough to save something for retirement and you live paycheck to paycheck so it's slavery embellished with being called "work".

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is a dumb take. The horrors of capitalism aren't the same as the horrors of slavery.

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[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The lashings are psychological now

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Redlining went through to the 70s

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Weird diagram. Why are we starting at 1619 in Virginia when it would be just as fair to say 1493 in Puerto Rico (or similar when you include Florida or parts annexed from Mexico). And the end of segregation is wrong as well.

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Slavery is still legal in the US as per the 13th amendment.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Each time I see this I notice that it's always lacking the end of redlining.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why is the timeline curved?

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[–] drath@lemmy.drath.ru 2 points 1 month ago

Is this that weird credit score indicator thingy that people post every once in a while?

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