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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

A broken clock is right twice a day

[–] 58008@lemmy.world 56 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Has good points... decides the best way to bring those points to the world is planting bombs.

Adam Lanza had some good points about autism (remember when he called into that radio show?). His subsequent expression of his feelings about the world was less than optimal. There's no need to give the cunt kudos for his insights.

This is some "say what you like about Hitler, but at least he made the trains run on time!" level of vacuous.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 hours ago

I'm not saying that bombs were a good or acceptable idea, but I am saying that if it weren't for the bombs, none of us would have read that manifesto to consider this post.

[–] myotheraccount@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Wasn't that Mussolini?

(Source: xkcd282)

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Thanos has good points. How he dealt with the problem is the issue.

[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Should have doubled the resources!

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

Jesus I never considered that alternative

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 9 points 12 hours ago

yeah, no matter their points, they still killed people. Fuck 'em.

[–] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 78 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

To all the people in the comments being like "Ted had some good points." Judi Bari, Peter Kropotkin, and Murray Bookchin are all people who have written about environmentalism and the problems of technology, industrialization, and such and better than the reactionary psychopath did. Fascists love the unabomber and use him to normalize eco-fascism. Stop fucking saying he had good points cause there are better authors who have made those same points without all the fucking reactionary and eco-fascism tied to it.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

To be clear, he was not an eco fascist, he stood against fascism. But he was en eco terrorist.

Not really enjoying this trend of everything being labelled as "fascism" these days.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 hours ago

For real. It waters down the meaning of the word "fascist," and now when I talk about actual fascism (with a well-informed take because I only use that word when I'm applying it correctly), people don't take me seriously because they think I'm just "labeling everyone you disagree with as a fascist."

I'm not. I disagree with everyone I label as a fascist, yes. Because I disagree with fascism and I only label fascists fascists. But I'm perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone without labeling them a fascist, if they're not a fascist. I do it all the time!

[–] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au -3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck. I don't really care if the duck says its not a duck and that it is against ducks, its still a duck. When you go about blaming the lefties (of which he labelled fascists as leftists) and the gays, and envisioning a society that would functionally genocide a bunch of people I am gonna call you a fascist. Cause if we just got rid of technology and returned to primitive living, a lot of people would die. Namely disabled people and people with chronic illnesses. It is indirect eugenics. Its exactly why most anarchists nowadays do not associate with anarcho-primitivists, and call them eco-fascists as well.

The reason why people like Bookchin and Bari are better is because they critique industrialization while putting forward solutions that don't kill a bunch of people.

And lets not pretend like fascism is this coherent or cohesive ideology. Its an ideology of opportunism. Mussolini and Hitler were vastly different, and even just comparing Mussolini's writing to his actions there's a lot of differences. For example Mussolini's writings were anti-monarchist, yet the monarchy remained in fascist Italy because it gave him an opportunity.

Ted might not have been a fascist directly, but his ideology is not incompatible with fascism. And the consequences of his ideology is still genocide, even if indirectly.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 30 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Uhhhhh

Stop fucking saying he had good points cause there are better authors who have made those same points

Doesn’t this inherently imply he does in fact have good points if they’re making the same points… you also make a good point that there’s better sources that don’t come with a ton of ideology baggage but what your saying here is yes he does have good points but read someone else saying his points instead

[–] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 19 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yes that is what I am saying. But just because someone made some good points doesn't mean we should keep using them as the defacto idealogue. Imagine if we kept saying "Hitler had some good points" when talking about animal rights or Osama Bin Laden for anti-imperialism. If you want an edgy thing to make a meme like this out of, use the ELF or ALF. Two groups that are controversial but lack the eco-fascism narrative of the unabomber.

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Those other authors need better marketing.

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 1 points 32 minutes ago

Glitter bomb videos were trendy for a bit. Perhaps worth a try?

[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

there are better authors who have made those same points without all the fucking reactionary and eco-fascism tied to it.

Seems like a great reason to discuss Ted's viewpoints. We should definitely discuss the ineffectual extremists. Compare and contrast. Weigh and measure. That's what truth-seekers do. Telling people not to read a particular author borders on censorship.

But asking people to expand their reading list and providing actual recommendations - that is wonderful and commendable. Thank you for that!

[–] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I never said don't read it, but comparing and contrasting is not what is happening. Its like when Osama Bin Laden's manifesto or whatever was making the rounds and everyone was like "ya know he makes some good points." Everyone just keeps parroting the points of far-right extremists cause they pointed out a pretty universal issue like imperialism, consumerism, environmental destruction, etc. If the only perspective that gets spread is that of a far-right nutjob, then it normalizes the problematic parts of their perspective. Its always just begins and ends with "the unabomber made some good points." Not "the unabomber made some good points, but Bookchin is more practical and not a eco-fascist."

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 hours ago

Was the unabomber far-right? He seemed to hate industry with a passion. That doesn't sound very far-right...

I'm not saying he's a role model that we should emulate, and I disagree with his methods. But that doesn't mean we should reject his ideas. Stalin was a terrible statesman and a brutal dictator, but philosophically he had some points worth discussing.

Lumping people into this category of being "untouchable" is not only an ad-hominem, but it's also damaging, because it prevents people from engaging with the material critically and in environments where there's a diversity of perspectives. Now the only people who read Stalin are the radical edgelords who are disillusioned with western society and so take everything he says uncritically at face value. It wouldn't have the same allure if we didn't make it something in the "restricted section."

It's perfectly valid to say "Ted's actions were wrong, but some of his ideas are worth considering."

[–] Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 33 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 minutes ago

Shut up, comma, ugly ass.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

The hair change makes him look like Dr. Tenma from Astro Boy.

[–] Norin@lemmy.world 111 points 20 hours ago (10 children)

It’s probably better to read the philosophers Uncle Ted was pulling from (and ultimately failed to understand).

Ellul especially.

[–] dgdft@lemmy.world 24 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

Might be a matter of taste, but ISAIF is worth a read on the basis of its wild mix of sociological brilliance and unhingedness IMO. That’s not to say I endorse blowing people up in the slightest, but the work stands taller than the sum of its influences.

E.g. I think he synthesized and added to quite a few different authors in presenting his concept of oversocialization. (Please do correct me if I’m off-base — I love philosophy but it’s not my main wheelhouse).

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 65 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

The longer I work in tech, the more I want to move to a farm 50km from neighbours with just me, my partner, a couple dogs, chickens, and cows.

[–] THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 34 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

The longer I ~~work in tech~~ exist, the more I want to move to a farm 50km from neighbours with just me, my partner, a couple dogs, chickens, and cows.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 minutes ago

It's a common escapist fantasy but are you equipped to handle the needs of chickens and cows?

[–] ellen.kimble@piefed.social 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I’m in tech and live off grid, best of both worlds

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[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

"The more I work in tech, the more I wish I was independently wealthy."

I love how people use the word "just" when making statements about the simple life.

Simple ain't always cheap....

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Simple ain't easy either. Fix yer plumbing, fix yer roof, fix yer fence, feed yer chickens (yes, every day!), clean their poop, etc. etc. etc.

Homesteading is a lot of work, and you can't just go away for a weekend to visit a friend or explore a new city. It needs constant attention, and the more "independent/self-reliant/off-the-grid" you want to be, the more you need to do everything yourself.

And even then you need to buy supplies and materials. You're not going to grow a year's-worth of food in your backyard vegetable patch, and you're not gonna make your own lumber, pvc, copper wire, etc.

There's a lot you can do to achieve a greater degree of independence, but ultimately it's still dependencies all the way down.

Even the Buddha recognized the interconnectedness of everything in the world; he wasn't just some detached stoic with a community of self-sustaining monks. They depended on the generosity of their surrounding communities, and to this day Buddhist monks still do.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago

you should look at open land out in deep rural areas.

you're more likely to kill yourself than get a farm these days.

not since the corporations bought up all the farm land.

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[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 18 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Did you know that Northrup Grumman developed the standard USPS mail truck? They also developed the B2 stealth bomber. Northrup never intended for their truck to also be a stealth bomber, but Ted said "I'm about to do what's called a 'pro gamer' move."

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Did you know that Northrup Grumman developed the standard USPS mail truck?

This was before the merger. It was just Grumman. They also built the Lunar Module for the Apollo program.

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[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

Technology is cool

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