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Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’ but it doesn’t look like that will change Microsoft’s plans. In a post on X and other places, Microsoft reaffirmed its commitment to AI in Windows 11 and encouraged Electron developers to consider using AI in their apps.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Hi, uh- just incase Slopya Nadella of Microslop happens to read the comments here one day,
Slopya- please take your sloperating system, print the slop code on A4 paper, fold it until it's all corners. When done, insert rectally.

[–] ivypt200@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I remember when 16 GB was for high work-load workstation tasks, it was not that long ago. Now it keeps getting used up by one single instance of firefox when it is open for too long. Screw javascript bullshit, i just want to use lynx and netsurf already.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

bloated garbage code infests everything nowadays even before AI, there should be no excuse for a lot of these sites, i always feel like im in another world when im on a site that just works buttery smooth without delay or hiccup.

[–] user@startrek.website 2 points 1 hour ago

I've been wondering about using Firefox with a www<>gemini protocol<>gemini protocol<>www for a funn-er way of showing my middle finger to most websites, but my www dread hasn't reached the level required to do it. Yet.

[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

What do we say?

MAKE... IT... SHITTY.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Who will be the next shining light to emerge now that Microsoft has become extremely entrenched?

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Linux, duh.

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Repeat with me.

INSTALL LINUX!

[–] Qey@lemmy.zip 15 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

with me.

INSTALL LINUX!

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 22 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)
  1. Not really surprising considering Windows seems to be increasingly swapping their native shell components for Web Views (you can tell because sometimes they fail to load (: )

  2. You know it's bad when Brendan fucking Eich is the reasonable one

[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Why is settings getting so bad, its like using a nonfunctional electron app.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Ah that explains so much.

They turned themselves into users of their own zero code solutions for shitware.

[–] psoul@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

FYI for those who don’t know what electron is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_(software_framework)

[…] desktop applications using web technologies (mainly HTMLCSS and JavaScript […])

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 36 points 22 hours ago

Sure, I love it when a 50KB app takes 50MB because some cunt designer only knows HTML.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

Every damn fucking time MSFT is mentioned: Install Linux, Problem Solved.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Can someone explain what an electron app is?

[–] khanh@lemmy.zip 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Basically, you know how Spotify allows you to use the version you access on the web as if it's an app (all the features are there)? That's called a Progressive Web App (PWA). Basically, Electron apps open up their own browser to run a PWA. Why is this bad? 2 Chrome tabs already take up a lot of memory. Now imagine 3.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

That was a fantastic explanation. Thank you.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

-> push software that needs tons of ram

-> cause ram shortage

-> ???

-> ...profit?

[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At least for Enterprise where the real money is, "???" seems to be https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365/windows-365-enterprise

This isn't some grand plan 5d chess. The people running these companies are dumb as hell and lucky. They get convinced from one silicon valley thought leader's blog post that ai and electron are the future and then direct the entire company in that direction thinking they're a great leader who will be remembered for pushing the company in a novel direction at just the right time. They attend a talk by a different thought leader who talks about a future of ai cloud computers that anyone can access from anywhere with more computational power than could ever fit into the shitty laptop they're accessing it from, then they go to the board meeting the next day with their bright new idea to do cloud personal desktops.

These companies are entirely responding to (nonsensical) market forces and the whims of high ranking individuals within their ranks. It's painful and ridiculous.

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[–] this@sh.itjust.works 9 points 22 hours ago

I would actually be for keyboards having a dedicated AI key, because then I would always have a key to remap to my voice PTT without loosing anything useful.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Inner-platform effect in full swing. Windows exists only to run Chrome. Chrome is the new OS layer.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

this solidifies two of my predictions from 15-20 years ago.

  1. Microsoft is moving to an "internet required" OS, likely meaning cloud based OS
  2. all apps will become web apps

1000003241

my final prediction from then was subscription based access to your operating system, apps, and data. you own nothing. your data is constantly consumed and used to train their products. you will never be able to extract your data and will be forever locked-in to their product. this also means that you will have to pay extra for app use. need to use Photoshop? that's an extra fee. need to use 3D rendering software? thats the ultra package with GPU fees per hour.

most of this is actually happening under the covers, but nothing is locking us in.

I would say we have about 5-7 years before the above happens and there's no way back.

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 106 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (27 children)

Today it took almost 30 seconds for the context menu to appear when I right clicked on a file in windows explorer. I mean ffs, if I wanted everything to be a browser, I'd use a chromebook.

(Inb4 "install linux", it's a work computer and I don't get a say in OS)

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

As long as you're getting paid for those 30 seconds, it's the shareholders' problem. Keep your blood cool, take a sip of coffee and sit back. Twiddle with a thingamajig on your desk.

If your supervisor asks what you're doing, say "waiting for Windows to load". Because that's what you're doing, and if they don't like it then they should let you use a different OS.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Me every day at work.

It's even worse working in the company's network drive.

But damn, it often takes ages for a right click to appear in the goddamned downloads folder (which is in its default C drive location...)

I feel you pain friend.

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[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Once again, Microslop is a strong contender for Linux Marketer Of The Year award

[–] db2@lemmy.world 121 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Microslop Winslop 11 with Electroslop

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Javascript creator thinks they are rushing things.
Javascript creator thinks they are rushing things.

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[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Microsoft also make the one app that actually shines in electron: vs code. It's really quite optimised. But somehow they didn't bother learning lessons from that and keep rolling out terrible slop like teams and new outlook.

It's weird how one company can do things right and also be do incompetent at the same time.

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago (5 children)
[–] odelik@lemmy.today 1 points 14 minutes ago

It's missing the arm that has the gun pointed at themselves.

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

It’s weird how one company can do things right and also be do incompetent at the same time.

The way MS is structured internally, this is like being surprised that some NFL teams win the Super Bowl and some teams are the Cleveland Browns.

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the worst thing about electron apps besides everything about election apps are the fact that there's no shared libraries so you basically have to have a billion of the same node modules on your system for every electron app that you have.

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