I do agree that superhero movies have been taking themselves entirely too seriously for entirely too long. Go back and watch the original Spider-Man or The Shadow and then jump forward to today. All the camp is dead now.
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Pitting a modern, ultra-broody Batman against a Joker who genuinely just wants to engage in Silver Age shenanigans for no other reason than to piss Batman off (despite the fact that this Joker is established as a murderer already) would be super fun.
Bonus points if Batman could've avoided most of the events of the movie by taking himself slightly less seriously.
My position is that the Schumacher Batman films are better than any Batman film that's come out since, and it's because of a fundamental ideological question:
Nolan, Snyder, Reeves, all of these guys, have continually asked, "What would Batman look like in the real world?" And the answer has meant grittier, darker reboots all inspired by the same couple of Miller books. They need to constrain Batman to things that "make sense" and find ways to make him "seem realistic."
Schumacher, and Burton before him, asked the much more entertaining question: "What would the world need to look like to idolize a vigilante in a furry costume?" And that opens up so many more possibilities, so much more fun. The Riddler made elaborate pop-up clues rather than staging brutal crime scenes. Two-Face didn't mourn his almost-relationship with an assistant DA because he was too busy macking on a different girl for each face. Bane? Doesn't matter if I could understand him, because he doesn't have any lines anyway. He's still the evil lady's main henchman, but now he's actually monstrously big.
The '90s approach says yes to every wild idea the directors had, every silly gag from the comics or other TV that it wanted to steal, because it wasn't beholden to a sense of the real. It was okay to enjoy the silly superhero movie on its own terms.
Unfortunately, we're stuck in a world where each decade brings a grimmer, darker reboot of Batman.
Jim Carrey Riddler might be my favorite movie Batman villain.
Kay apparently strongly disagrees.
I agree with you wrt Batman Returns and Batman Forever. Batman and Robin was just plain bad, though. It was a comedy that wasn't funny.
But yeah, Batman fundamentally can't exist in the real world. Other superheroes have an acknowledged break from reality that allows them to work ("It's like the real world except there's this alien who's physiology allows him to leap tall buildings in a single bound," "It's like the real world except a 1 in 10^1,000,000 radiation accident gave a kid spider-powers", etc.) but Batman doesn't have this. We're expected to believe that Batman became a superhero just because he really wanted to be one. The only way Batman makes sense is if the world he lives in is fundamentally off-kilter.
If you havent, watch the latest two thor movies, also all deadpool and guardians of the galaxy movies if you want a bit more camp in your hero films. Oh and Gunn's superman and suicide squad.
I'd caveat that deadpool relies heavily on popular media references. For some the jokes just dont land.
And Peacemaker. It's not quite camp, but definitely a show that doesn't take itself seriously.
The title sequences in the first 2 seasons of Peacemaker alone are excellent TV! Such a fun show.
This is why i love the spiderverse movies. The tom holland spiderman did okay with keeping the spiderman vibe but i think spiderverse nailed it. Really hoping nunber 3 doesnt get dropped. I want to finish that sory so badly at the very least
Mark Hamill playing an has-been joker released from the carceral system after serving many years. After a few attempts at trying reintegration in a fascist Gottham city he turns into a Communist anti-hero.
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Make sure he keeps the moustache. Just cover it with white makeup.
This is the way
Yes to the idea, Fuck no for Sasha B Cohen. Zionists don't deserve work.
i think Harley did a great characterization of the joker. with him ending up in politics, winning, defeating batman, and becoming a beloved mayor. By leveraging his anti establishment with socialism.
I had never heard about his support for Israel so just did some reading and only found a few things from Oct 2023 after the Hamas attack. Although I think it's evil to support an apartheid state, I think there's a big difference between voicing support in October 2023 and supporting them now and in their genocide. I wonder what he thinks now
Yea, from what I’ve seen from his work, he is very critical on a lot of sensitive topics and doesn’t pull punches when it comes to his Jewish side.
But to be fair, he makes fun of Judaism, can’t recall many Israel jokes.
He had a segment where he posed as an IDF soldier and got Congress members to support and even promote 'kinderguardians,' real guns for toddlers to promote 'fighting terrorism'
But that's the closest I can think of
I'll be honest. After the initial Hamas attack I also thought Israeli response was acceptable. I didn't know much of anything beyond Zionist propaganda. I learned the truth and now I can say with absolute certainty and conviction that Israel is an aggressor in more than just the Palestinian conflict(which is a genocide). It's hard to know you're in a propaganda bubble when the edge is on the other side of the world. But now that I know it's there, it's absolutely influencing my decisions in elections. I voted against an AIPAC candidate in the Democratic primary entirely because of their campaign funding sources.
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If you want unhinged terror Jack Nicholson is your Joker but personally if it's not Cesar Romero Or Mark Hamill then it's not the Joker to me.
Cesar romero was really good and imo, the best villain in that era of batman, but nicholson will always be my fave live action joker. I just wish we got to see more of him. I grew up with ledger and hamill though, so they are my nostalgic choices
Jack Nicholson was good no arguments here, in fact I found him terrifying. But Caesar Romero's and Mark Hamill's jokers seemed to do it for the love of the game, where as the rest all had some underlying reason. I personally feel that the core of jokers character is that he just lets the intrusive thoughts win without question or thought.
I get that. For me i like nicholson because he is a great blend between romero and ledger. Hes psychotic, scary, and deeply motivated, but also leans on that campy love of the game. The art museum scene comes to mind as an example
You know what? You've convinced me, Romero is still my favorite but I think I'll bump Nicholson up to number 2.
Same but Serj Tankian
Common mistake, but they're actually the same person, just two different stage names.
He'd be a fucking fantastic Joker! I still like Jack best though.
Jack Nicholson's joker was so good the whole movie was about him. He made Batman a secondary character.
His name actually appeared first in the cast.
We need a live-action Batman Beyond movie with Mark Hamill playing an older Joker.
For years I wanted a live-action Batman Beyond starring Adam West as Bruce Wayne. Too late for that now, though.
His Mephisto role is pretty interesting, curious to see how that plays out.
Yeah some Zionist bs I'm sure it is scary
Am I crazy or do Sacha and Bad Bunny kinda look alike?
I can see it.
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