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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 186 points 1 week ago (10 children)

For general context, the opinion piece was published April 2014. Bezos owned The WaPo at the time and had since 2013. Author is Stanford historian and archaeologist Ian Morris.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

Thanks for sharing the link in the interest of fact and transparency.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I looked at the premise of his book that this article seems to connect with, and it basically boils down to "History shows that societies becomes a lot more peaceful and productive after periods of war."

Wow, who'd've thought that things get better for the people who survive a war? It's a good thing we can apply survivorship bias to the whole of human history with such confidence like that.

So it's not that war makes things better, but that we become better off after we stop fighting? We become better off after we decide fixing our problems peacefully is a good idea? Brilliant.

It's also not true when you consider all the times war follows war and societies see decades if not centuries of decline involving numerous civil wars. On top of that, when war is not devastating for those that start it, it does not inspire them to change; rather it becomes part of their norm.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

"There's less death from warfare and economic production diverted to support said warfare when people aren't fighting wars" is a helluva argument in favor of fighting wars to improve lives and benefit the economy.

It's like a financial advisor telling you that you should blow all your money in the casino, then quit gambling and start saving.

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[–] yakko@feddit.uk 20 points 1 week ago

He seems like not a great guy.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 19 points 1 week ago

WTF this is a real article

[–] sveltecider@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

It says it right at the top ...

Artist putting the dove of peace in there should be shamed, too. Mf’er thinks they have some design porn going on there when all it is is selling out to oppressors

I will do one better and provide a link to an archived copy of the article so you all can read it for yourselves!

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 108 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 week ago

Us, the wealthiest owners of Raytheon and Lockheed shares. Who did you think?

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably the author of the article and the people who paid him to write it.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 10 points 1 week ago

“When we talk about U.S.A., we ain’t talkin bout you, ése.”

[–] BinzyBoi@piefed.ca 76 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Democracy dies in darkness, and we're on the side of darkness"

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Democracy dies in darkness

This stopped being a warning and started being a mission statement.

Right up there with Google's "Don't be Evil"

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[–] Exec@pawb.social 58 points 1 week ago

Democracy died in daylight

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So, not agreeing with the premise but: this article is from 2014, written by a legit historian, and is specifically not discussing the short term.
Their premise is effectively that war consolidates power and minimizes violence at scale inside the unified territory afterwards. Further, the things nations do to be ready for conflict, like build roads, administrative statates and all the social structures that accompany a standing army facilitate trade and prosperity.

It's less that he's arguing for war, and more just ... Describing the historical consequences of war in aggregate.

It was certainly only titled the way it was because he was publishing a book and this is more eye catching.

[–] BigMike@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Ironic that this post is trying critize propaganda while being a bit propagandish itself

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[–] zammy95@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did a war write this article?

Just a neoliberal entering his pupae to begin turning into a fascist.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I mean, what it said. Genocide! Love that. I respect The Washington Post and its commitment to corruption, abuse of power, and harm to kids.

[–] DandomRude@piefed.social 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And this is the newspaper that played a major role in bringing Nixon down at the time... what an utter disgrace.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably not for ethical reasons but more uhh aristocratic in-group disputes/conflicts of interest.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

This right here, and he was never taken down. He voluntarily resigned and faced zero consequences.

I didn't even see the WaPo part of the post at first... and I didn't need to.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago

What the fuck.

[–] Tiger_Man_@szmer.info 16 points 1 week ago

if by "us" they mean the billionaries behind this company then sure it does

[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] berg@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

Did someone say Blowback?

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 10 points 1 week ago
[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Am I the only one that sees a Wehrmact soldier with an MP-40 in hand? Like... Come on.

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[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 9 points 1 week ago

Go walk in the rain some more, you’ll dry quicker.

[–] FalschgeldFurkan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

"Yeah because after WWII there was peace!!!1"

Technically, after the war is before the war.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

At the cost of murdering others and taking what is theirs.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Of courses it does, especially when you are the world's biggest arms dealer! By far, not even China, Russia, and Germany combined, throw in UK and France, too

That's the problem.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 week ago

Pictured dove ofc carrying cluster bombs.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Well, shit...

Somebody turned off the lights at Washington Post then lol

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Even if true, there has to be a better way to achieve safety and economic security for all. War causes losses for far too many.

ETA: grammar & clarity

[–] Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago
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