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[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This was definitely accurate at one point, but is not representive of reality today.

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s still my experience most times. I’m always quite surprised when some site that isn’t Google accepts a webp.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Many Lemmy instances are actually configured so that any time you upload an image file, it gets automatically converted to a WebP, so as to take up less server space. Your instance (lemmy.sdf.org) is the only Lemmy instance that I have experience with that instead actually works in the opposite direction: unless something has changed recently, if you attempt to upload a WebP file to that instance, it automatically gets converted to PNG. This behaviour is all up to how the instance admin chooses to configure their pict-rs backend.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

No... No this is still accurate.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Webp isn’t better. Its support is awful. Geordy would know that.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

What modern software does not support it? Sometimes animated images are only rendered as a static image of the first frame of the animation, but it is fairly universally supported nowadays.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This, along with editing, converting is a pain, lots of 3rd party apps, websites, and forms do not support uploading them etc.

It barely has better support, but by a couple of hairs, and only half-assed at best.

[–] klu9@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

When I started contributing to joinfediversewiki, all my screenshot uploads failed... until I wondered if it was because they were in Webp. Fortunately the site admin added it to the approved formats for me.

Also my (formerly) preferred screenshot tool, Ksnip, doesn't handle Webp.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

iMessage does not support animated webp images.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

fuck webp. in-fact fuck all the new corpo sponsored standards.

there was nothing wrong with png, gif, or jpg.

tinfoil hat time. all the new corpo sponsored web standards exist for one purpose, to control the development of the internet so that the corpo-overlords can continue pumping users for "value".

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Webp wouldn’t be a thing if not for Google using it’s monopoly to push it on people

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You got to at least like avif. Both in lossless and lossy mode it’s better than the formats from the 90s. It’s community run, patent free, faster, higher quality, and well supported.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

what corporate entity submitted the RFC?

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I mean if that’s your standard you need to drop quite a bit more.

PNG was submitted by Boutell.Com, Inc (now doing payday loans)

GIF was submitted by Compuserve Inc.

JPEG was (in its original form) was by C-Cube Microsystems, Inc

Avif is an open source, royalty free, better format administrated by a non profit.

Companies (including Netflix) should be encouraged to contribute to the community under such standards.

Open source, royalty free, better formats, administrated by a non profit Is the goal.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

there was nothing wrong with png, gif, or jpg.

WebP is definitely not a perfect solution, but GIF is absolutely full of problems. The only thing that GIF has going for it is the fact that it is universally supported by just about everything everywhere. But the two big problems are the fact that it is limited to 256 colors and is incredibly inefficient at compression. Those two facts combined mean that any given image in GIF format has a drastically higher file size than that same image in WebP, AVIF, JPEG-XL, APNG, or any other modern animated image format, while likely still having a worse image quality.

I am hoping to see AVIF more widely adopted/supported, because GIF is definitely bloated and ready to die.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

hmmmm

gifs load as images while avifs load as videos, because that's what they are. Imagine the resources used when loading a page with 2000 avifs and you have autoplay videos enabled on your browser.

gifs on the other hand, load one frame at a time and just cycle through each frame after they have loaded.

I think theoretically, avif is a better solution but the applicability of them is going to be difficult to apply unilaterally like gifs.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

In what way do AVIF files "load as videos"? They are image files. Your web browser renders them as images. Your Lemmy client renders them as images. It is not AVI.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

wish I could screenshot what I see. because it's just two "OBJ" tiles.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago

So, your app doesn't support those particular file types. Great. We have already established that support for things other than GIF needs to be improved. That is an entirely separate issue. The question remains: In what way do AVIF files “load as videos”?

[–] tehfishman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 30 points 3 days ago
[–] Xylight@lemdro.id 17 points 3 days ago

AVIF is also great! if for some reason you don't like webp because google makes it, AVIF uses AV1 which is an open codec.

it's also much smaller. great for web graphics

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 18 points 3 days ago

Yeah, let's just hand over even more of the Internet to Google. Great idea

[–] ken@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Experimental JPEG-XL support in Firefox (and forks) can be enabled by setting the pref image.jxl.enabled to true in about:config.

https://jpegxl.info/resources/jpeg-xl-test-page.html

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

And why does it have to be experimental anyway? It's been supported by everything that uses the standard libraries in Linux for quite some time.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (5 children)

And yet, surprisingly, I can often get a gif down to a smaller file size and better image quality than a webp file.

Still, there's hope for it yet if it improves!

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 8 points 3 days ago

I would have to see that to believe it

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[–] GarboDog@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago
[–] Toes@ani.social 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

avif is the superior format to webp. 💝

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That was pretty simple. And even much smaller than the equivalent WebP

[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is this meant to be animated? I guess summit doesn't support it if so

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's definitely animated in a web browser and Voyager. It seems to just be a still image in Summit and Jerboa.

And in Thunder, it is sometimes animated, but sometimes displays as just a still image. I cannot figure out why

[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Unfortunate, but it also highlights an issue with these hybrid formats.

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago
[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I don't trust webp. I don't like its name.

Look at me! The web will now use my picture standard.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You don't enjoy website piss? Why? It's sterile and refreshing!

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't know what is worse, warm piss or cold piss.

And I don't wanna know.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Regarding its name: I had no idea until today that the B is silent

WebP (/ˈwɛpi/ WEP-ee)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP

[–] Cybersec@piefed.social 11 points 3 days ago

Oh god, another image file name war? “We pee” love it that’s great, now it’ll get traction for sure, ha.

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 6 points 3 days ago
[–] negativenull@piefed.world 6 points 3 days ago

Voyager on Android works, Firefox (and variants) all seem to work.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Will this settle the gif/jif debate once and for all?

Gif is pronounced like gorilla or giraffe or is not hard

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