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[–] arxaseus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Been working on myself more again. Only still doing the 30 mins Japanese and Spanish and Irish, but now also doing an hour of programming and an hour of Blender and 5-20 mins of maths again. It's funny since before even with just JP, SP and IE, I always felt I could be doing more with the languages, and I find it funny because doing the programming and Blender stuff seriously made start maths and language studies feel a lot easier. If I don't study the harder subjects until later that is. Also always thought to myself I didn't have enough time in the day to focus on my languages for long enough, but this new schedule seems to make me realise I've been telling myself falsehoods all the time, (despite sorta knowing they were falsehoods, but at least now I can feel they're false).

As per Ashtear's advice from last week, I did look up online about JP courses for me, the only local one I can properly attends already doing a course, so I can't start a JP course there until maybe 2 months from now. So I'll be aiming to start around then if it's cheap enough.

Also the past 2-3 years I only learnt about 1000 words, but since the new year started, I now know 1500 words, I must have really put in the work effort the first few weeks of January to go that far in so quickly. I plan on ramping to that point again if possible.

So yeah, doing better again now. Thankfully.

[–] zlatiah@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yup!

Fun thing but I had an eureka moment (hehe it's a romance language loanword) yesterday during French class. According to my Anki log I should have a French->English vocabulary of 1500-1700 of the most frequent words now... which if I got it correctly, is close to what is needed for reaching A2. Of course vocab alone wouldn't be remotely sufficient for language learning, research has shown that... but I realized that I have all the basic foundation for fully understand every single word in many news articles now; and the ones I don't understand, a good number of them I can probably guess my way around using English

I'm hoping to use this newfound insight to significantly increase the amount of reading and listening I do in French... hopefully that can help me with getting my language skills up to A2. Goal is still to reach B1 so I think I am making progress

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Reading of true native books is also a great option. French in particular has "Le Petit Prince", an excellent book for the A2+ level or B1- level. 15000 words, pictures/illustrations to help you out. And a story that is simple enough for a child, but enough nuance for adults to have celebrated for the past century.

You'll see what I mean about "frequency lists" when you read any book. You'll have both common words, but also important "rare" words that you need to master to get through the book.

A2 is too early to completely understand the book. But you will get a better idea of how language is used by natives by reading native books.


This is where Anki's true superpower comes up. Building your own cards. If you set your goal as "Le Petit Prince", you simply put into Anki every card you don't know yet and feels important (don't aim for 100% understanding, its basically impossible at A2 level). Then you keep drilling until you can read the book. Easy and done. Its not as good as roleplay (where your brain starts to search for new words to continue a discussion). But its still better than a frequency list.

But yes, keep studying the frequency list! Its not bad. I'm just trying to say where you can get some "better" and more meaningful material.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

1500-1700 of the most frequent words now

Hmmm. As a beginner I overrated the frequency list.

Yes, a vocabulary is necessary to grow. But it seems more important to have complete conversations. And the only way you complete a conversation is with using the words specific to a conversation.

To complete your shopping list might require more rare words. Fish (common word) isnt useful at all, grocery stores don't sell "fish". Instead, they sell "tilapia". (Specific kinds of fish).

To complete a hypothetical grocery discussion to a realistic level.... even as a beginner.... requires study of words in the 5,000+ or even 10,000+ or less frequently lists. Just one or two such words, but yes it's important.


The A2 vocabulary lists in any test include enough vocab to cover the expected discussions on a test. It might only be top1000 frequent words, and then 500+ more rare words needed to cover trains, airplane travel, hotels and other key test-based subjects.

The frequency list is IMO, the default study when you don't know what else to study. But if you are seeking A2 certificate, study the A2 lists specifically.


The real life talking and roleplay is your best guide if you can get one. The rarer words pop up naturally as roleplay progresses.

But yes, we language learners need thousands of words memorized. So we must have default study options every day. Frequency lists are great for that. But try to seek out roleplay situations and get a feel for the necessary rare words.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Given the article about Anki and how that author was happily on 70%... I've decided to lower my Anki-FSRS from 90% (default) down to 80%. This should cut my workload significantly. It will take a week or so before the workload feels different, but the simulations suggest maybe 30% or 40% fewer cards-per-day and only losing maybe 5% of my memory. (Fewer reviews == more mistakes, which means more words "forgotten". But at only 5%-ish, its a good tradeoff)

The simulator also says that 70% is my optimal workload for fewest-minutes spent per card. So maybe I should keep dropping it down all the way to 70%?


As of today, I've completed 5 months of study. 3 of which were self-study, and 2-months under a tutor (twice a week meetings, 3 hours total). I have 3 weeks left in my tutoring session, meaning I need to figure out where my next steps are. Tutoring is expensive, both in time and in dollars. I 100% needed it, my speaking skills have gone from non-existent (with huge numbers of "unknown" mistakes in my pronunciation), to passable. I feel confident with the skills I've gained from our in-person practice. But I'm no where near my overall goals even with all the tutoring.

I feel the need to do more tutoring, but maybe later? My current bottleneck is clearly vocabulary and grammar. Subjects I can handle on my own. I also have significant amounts of self-study that I've built up (ie: Pokemon, "Das Maus", transcribing and/or translating songs, Grammatik aktiv. Vocabulary lists to memorize... etc. etc.). With all the tutoring sessions + homework, I barely have gotten any of my self-study done.

I'll at least work through my self-study goals (finish reading my A2 book. Maybe complete a full playthrough of Pokemon, etc. etc.), before I consider additional tutoring. I know this will stunt my speaking skills, but I'm also confident that additional tutoring in the future can "fix" my speaking skills later.


I did have one moment of "achievement" this past week. I've begun to remove the children songs from my playlist. While I haven't gained mastery of all the children songs of my previous playlist... I realize I am "strong" enough to be learning from real pop songs / normal German songs now.

I'll probably go back to some of the harder children songs (or at least, the ones with more complex rhythms / less boring songs). They really are great for learning vocabulary. But my skill level has evolved that I can be sampling harder songs / harder books / harder material successfully. So I should move forward and leave the easier stuff behind...

[–] Ashtear@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

It ultimately depends on how many cards you want to do per day and how much time you set aside for it. I try to shoot for 30-35 minutes a day with 16 new cards (about 8-10 new words, usually) per day, so that comes out to 85% for me. My time's been creeping up a little, so I'm probably going to suspend new cards for a week-ish once I finish Tobira later this month.

And grats on 5 months!

[–] Ashtear@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago

Yep, sticking with it! Pretty good week last week.

I'm using someone's transcribed notes from the grammar section in my textbook so I have them in a portable format (for use in my note-taking app, or to throw into Anki, etc.). It's not the cleanest transcription, and one thing I'm starting to notice is I'm getting really sharp at spotting typos. Typos--especially kanji conversion errors--work differently in Japanese than they do in English, so there's kind of a separate learned skill for it. It's super interesting stuff, and I'm recalling an interview with Alexander O. Smith (a video game localizer) where he said recognizing potential errors and understanding the scenarist's original intent is a key benchmark for being able to localize games well. Makes me feel pretty good about playing some more later.

I wonder if reading through stuff with errors is an exercise worth seeking out, too, for those at intermediate-level and up. It feels like a good way to reinforce learned but not yet mastered material.