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Modern day winning the peace is a matter of reaching some mutal benificial agreement between the hegonoimic classes in a society.

The best case imho for them would be PRC democratises to the point the average person in the countries political rights are respected and Taiwan socializes enough that corperate interests dont run to hard counter to the unified states interests.

Equally possibly though is they continue to corparatizing (though trends seemed buck of that) to the point where corperate interest agree and are unimpeded enough to merge regulations of the two countries.

Realistic? The current status quo of everyone pretending Taiwan isn't a country and China not invading.

China isn't going to accept an independent Taiwan for a variety of reasons. That likely won't change unless there is a war.

Sadly the current status quo is the best solution.

They do like in that Starfleet Academy episode where they fake a war to satisfy everyone's honor and just pretend everything is OK

China should accept Taiwans sovereignty as a separate Chinese country, and stop being such a little bitch. The end.

Freedom for Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Taiwan need to stop claiming they are the legitimate government of China.

China need to recognise that Taiwan isn't part of China anymore.

Neither will happen.

Someone who threatens war to acquire land is not the good guy. Fuck them.

Yes I realize this also references you know who as well.

反攻大陆 (Counterattack the mainland) 😏

/just kidding

I think the only peaceful unification would be if CCP falls and mainland China becomes an actual democracy with free and fair elections, then mainland, HK, Taiwan can form a union, where Taiwan and HK remains autonomous regions for domestic politics (and this automony would be backed by a constitution) and have a common front for defence.

I mean another option would be complete sovereignty but a European Union type of thing where they do cooperate and sort of is like a country, but maintain the option to leave.

But regardless, I think it all comes down to what HKers and Taiwanese want, you need a referrendum for these types of things. I'd say to have legitimacy: Two consecutive referrendums in two separate regularly scheduled election with majority approval before any plan is enacted, to attempt to prevent a Brexit shenanigan.

I'm Chinese American so while I do support democracy, I am kinda leaning towards reunification assuming that there is actually democracy, but again it all comes down to what the people think, the will of the people is more important than my opinions.

While I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, the only peaceful outcome I can see is actually just a continuation of the status quo, where mainland China uses "reunification" messaging as little more than a show of strength and patriotic political rhetoric, and where the Western world continues to treat Taiwan's independence with "strategic ambiguity" while hinting to China that any attempt to take Taiwan will be met with a large scale Western response from the US and allies.

I do think that the West wants Russia's attempted invasion of Ukraine to be a sign of what China should expect if they were to attempt to annex Taiwan. It won't be easy, it'll throw trade and supply chains into absolute chaos, and it'll be met with harsh economic sanctions and large weapons deals at the very least. The West wants China to feel that there is very little upside to attacking Taiwan, and that it's much more reasonable to maintain the status quo (though arguably, tariffs and trade wars needlessly remove some of the US's economic leverage over China).

Rhetoric aside, how much chaos and bloodshed is China really willing to tolerate just for the pyrric victory of finishing what Mao started almost a century ago?

I think the main hope for peace is that Xi and the ruling members of the CCP feel that it's in their personal best interest to talk a big game while doing the bare minimum to disrupt the systems that they currently benefit from.