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Related: Robert Reich posted earlier today that Tesla paid ZERO taxes on $5 billion in sales (earnings?), so that’s just fucking great.

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[–] OutForARip@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 minutes ago

Well how else are they going to subsidize the losses of the rich if not with your dollars?

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 9 minutes ago

That's because Bezos's net worth is in imaginary money. His actual income from Amazon was only like $80k a year.

Unrealized gains shouldn't be taxed unless they're being used as collateral to get real money.

[–] jve@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (5 children)

Pro tips:

Many jurisdictions don't require you to have a business license if your revenue is under a certain threshold and the work you do is unregulated. Basically, you can just decide you own a business at any time without filling out any paperwork.

Housecleaning, auto mechanic, and IT consulting businesses aren't regulated and can be used to justify 90% of common purchases. A YouTube channel is a business and can be used to write off anything you make a video about.

Any major purchases you made throughout the year can be declared as an asset of your business. If you say you only use it for business 50% of the time, it's practically impossible for anyone to disprove.

Also, 50% of the money you spend on those major purchases can be declared as a business loss, which further reduces your tax obligation.

So, let's say you bought a PC and a 3D printer this year. You can decalre both as assets belonging 50% to your business, declare half the cost as a business expense, and declare no income from the business. You can also declare half of your gas purchases as being for your business. You'll get a credit for the asset, and a credit for the "business loss."

Basically, you can create a company that has your home address as its HQ, say it didn't earn any money, but you invested in it. Then, declare ordinary purchases as assets and investments into the company by saying you use them for business 50% of the time.

There's no requirement to have a business license before telling the IRS you have a business. There's no requirement to run a business "well" and there's no penalty for running a business badly. Receipts aren't required to declare assets or losses, but you may need them if you're audited. You're unlikely to be audited due to the 50% declaration. If you are audited and you have receipts, you're covered.

Disclaimer: I'm not a tax professional and this isn't advice.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago

I do programming as a hobby, and it's not out of the question that some day I'll make something that will be sold. Can I claim my gaming PC and my homelab as business expenses? As well as my electricity and intenet?

[–] boomlandjenkins@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

The 2025 Big Beautiful Bill lets you write off 100% of the expense on the year you purchase it, instead of depreciating it over several years. Make big purchases, pay less tax dollars to this government.

Disclaimer: I am not an accountant or financial advisor, do your own homework to see what qualifies in your situation.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I am also not an accountant, but in my country even a failed business project is still a business project. E.g you run an IT consultancy and suddenly decide you need to do something with AI. Wellll now that gaming PC with a really over the top GPU is actually a business purchase because you NEED that VRAM. AI project didn't do all that well? Oh well, shit happens. Keep the PC tho, maybe you'll need it for another project soon.

Home office is another fun one. In my country, you have to decide what % of different purchases are for business vs living use, for tax-free expense compensations. But the interesting thing is, you can go really in depth with that. 20-40% of your toilet paper could be business usage reasonably, depending on what percent of awake time is spent working vs not working.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

I fell like the disclaimer should really be at the top. Specially because it is very geographically dependant and this is the internet.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I declare my self an IT consultant. Now what?

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 2 points 22 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 1 points 20 minutes ago

Do you really need to print? That will be $500.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Now you get pay the employer half of your social security tax!

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Bold of you to assume I have the charisma to convince someone to pay me.

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Pro tip: if you are actually making side income like this and reporting it to the IRS then in many situations you can deduct the costs of the things you needed to buy in the course of generating that income.

This does not work on W2 income, though, as much as it would be nice to deduct the costs of driving to an office etc

[–] TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

That only matters when the value of those deductions exceeds the standard deduction though, isn't that right?

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 4 points 3 hours ago

No, deductions for business expenses happen "above the line" so they reduce your taxable income. The standard deduction happens "below the line" and is applied to your taxable income after business expenses etc

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

Yes and for the purposes of reducing taxable income, not the overall tax burden.

An example in a vacuum: If you report $10,000 and itemize a $2000 deduction for an expense, you'd be taxed as if you made $8000.

Some take it to believe the $2000 deduction means they deduct $2000 from what they owe in taxes and then feel cheated and blindsided when they still owe.

The standard deduction is just under $16,000. So if we round things out: the tax bracket for the first $10,000 of taxable income is a 10% rate. If you made $26,000 you'd owe $1000 with the standard. (26k minus 16k, leaving 10% of 10k.)

In this same scenario if you could itemize $26,000 in deductions on $26,000 of income, you'd owe $0. No one self employed or any worker can actually do this reasonably. But large businesses can, and do.

This is how billionaires pay no taxes. They use their business expenses, loans, and losses to deduct the entire amount of their taxable income to eliminate any possible tax burden.

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes, that's how I always understood it

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The real question is how many billions in welfare government bailouts and credits did Tesla get?

Republicans are so worried about poor people on welfare, but Tesla would literally be closed without welfare money. Rules for thee.

[–] derry@midwest.social 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm all for corporations and the wealthy paying their fair share of taxes, which they often don't.

However, revenue is not income and gains on investments are unrealized gains until you sell your shares and withdraw the cash.

If I'm reading Tesla's income statement correctly, they expect to pay something like $1.4B in taxes on $5.2B in income for 2025. Figures calculated using fuzzy pre-coffee math in my head and may not reflect any reasonable accounting standards

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I think people are upset about that loophole. Businesses buy yachts, trips around the world and bribing politicians for their owners and the common person is just trying to not die.

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