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Damn it Bernie, if only the Democrats hadn't sabotaged your campaign for Hillary. Where would we be today? Certainly not this hellscape. People would have forgotten Trump was even a presidential canidate by now. I'm so angry at what could have been
I agree. The Clinton’s had some heavy baggage and a straight old white dude would’ve been interesting! Idk if he would’ve won but simply having his platform endorsed would’ve changed history. He was just as angry as Trump was. If only Harambe didn’t die.
I've seen people claim that they were going to vote Bernie until Clinton won the nomination, then they switched to Trump.
My mind boggles at the sheer insanity of that change, but I guess they wanted someone "different." They didn't seem to care what "different" meant.
20 years of AM radio fucked some people up.
More like almost 100 years. Learned that on the It Could Happen Here podcast. Very good and stark background of how talk radio has been dividing this country since the 1930s, using religion as its Trojan horse.
But with Bernie you knew where he stood, you knew what he was pissed about and what systems he wanted to dismantle. The rich Dems of the east Coast south and west coast couldn't handle that.
It was literally the Midwest and iron belt that supported him and pacific nw that supported him
Trump was going to destroy everything for his own benefit not for the betterment of the general public.
Nebraska is a red state, I knew more people excited about Bernie than Trump, I threw a tantrum when Hillary got the nod and was told by better off people I knew in far bigger cities and with more money that Hillary was the safe bet. Still to this day same people so excited for Gavin Newsom, they post their hatred everyday about Trump but they aren't willing to vote for anyone who will put up a fight with the fip. Gavin isn't it
And then also no more money for ICE after that.
God fucking damn it it's always the same shit.
Republicans push some absolute bullshit to 10.
Democrats: We need to be reasonable and go back to 6!
Where is the party that says we need to go back to zero bullshit!
Been saying it for a long time now, we gotta primary every last DNC member holding a seat. They're all either complicit or neutered to the point of uselessness.
I love Bernie but this obviously isn't his fight. He's been about economics for like, 400 years, and just economics and it's fine, but he's not going to lead us out of fascism. He needs to go rest and enjoy retirement.
The DNC is a container full of rotten old money and establishment-preserving collaborators with the GOP. We pour the container out, freshen it up with some new contents.
I agree - but also, if anyone in congress deserves the benefit of the doubt, I'd say it's Sanders. I think the first major step back off this ledge is probably restoring the status quo. If we started on the exact best path forward tomorrow, I'm not sure it would START with abolishing ICE. It would start by utterly neutering them first, then dismantling them after eliminating their internal ability to resist, because we both know it'll be a loud and painful process no matter what.
So the issue is not ICE, but who's managing ICE.
That's basically same as saying that the nazis were just following orders.
The issues, Bernie, are both who's managing ICE and ICE itself. ICE are terrorists, you can't just say that you will give money to ICE if they remove those two assholes ignoring all the shit each ICE agent has done so far, Bernie.
I think you missed the part where he wants drastic reform within the agency on top of axing the ghouls running it. He's much more likely to succeed politically with those types of demands than just straight up defunding the entire thing.
So the issue is not ICE, but who’s managing ICE.
You can say that about any organization. If the Nazis had been run by Rosa Luxemberg, they wouldn't be the Nazis. They'd be a totally different thing.
But we've been staffing ICE with ice chewing psychos for decades. I don't believe a reformist bureaucrat can lead ICE. The organization's rank-and-file would rebel, in the same way the CIA rebelled under Kennedy and the FBI rebelled under Obama.
The issues, Bernie, are both who’s managing ICE and ICE itself. ICE are terrorists, you can’t just say that you will give money to ICE if they remove those two assholes ignoring all the shit each ICE agent has done so far, Bernie.
Even the most left-wing Democrats are still convinced that an organization dedicated to terrorizing migrant workers and extra-judicially deporting Enemies of the State is too popular to dismantle. That's a bleak prospect for the nation's future.
IMO, immigration control in general is stupid. IDC where you're from or how you come to live here. Just pay the taxes to contribute to the community and those in need. Enforce it through the IRS like any other citizen. Abolish ICE entirely.
Not another penny for ICE ~~until Kristi Noem, Stephen Miller are gone~~
You could have stopped that sentence earlier and had more of my support
They'll just put someone else equally terrible in. No funding for ice until Trump and the GOP are goneffs.
Yeah. Getting rid of Noem would be great, but she's just doing what Trump wants. She's a symptom, not the disease.
And I suspect Miller would still have Trump's ear even if he wasn't officially employed by the US government.
The whole regime has to go.
ICE doesn't need funding at all because it doesn't need to exist.
I'm so sick of dems. Fuck you. Not another penny ever.
Sanders is an independent
While it is cathartic to think taking these people out of their position is punishing them, the reality is they will be replaced with another Nazi.
If Trump had been assassinated it would not have stopped this. If Hitler had been assassinated the Nazi would have fought on. This situation is no different.
It is a sobering and necessary realization that this whole administration isn't a one-off. This is a part of who we are.
Bernie says the right things, but people only see this:
The billionaire owned media WANT people to only see that
He's in the minority of the minority. Chuck Schumer will be out an hour later saying he's ready to sign off on ICE funding in exchange for a kick back and a high five.
That is setting the bar far too low. It’s buried, Bernie. You buried the fucking bar.
How about never.
Shitty president = more sadistic tools put in their place. It’s not going to get better.
The only non pos senator.
Name one other, go ahead, we can look at them handing rifles to settlers in israel at a minimum, looking at you oregon.
I wish he was like 20 years younger so you could expect him to be around longer
There also has to be prosecutions and consequences for the murders.
Hopefully some pissant with his glasses at the end of his nose will listen.