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[–] mikenurre@lemmy.world 315 points 5 days ago (21 children)

Once these countries leave, they'll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 159 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Seriously, enshitification is the only thing US companies do well these days. They just dig deeper moats around their walled gardens because they’re too greedy to make decent products that people actually want.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 90 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Enshittification, AI slop and fascism are America's greatest exports. And that's not even a joke.

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[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think enshitification is a product of public traded companies promising infinite growth, not necessarily a problem of US only companies.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago
[–] tino@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Every 2-3 years, the French government announces that they released a brand new homemade app that will replace some bigtech because sovereignty or whatever bureaucratic bullshit communication they fancy at the moment. Then they issue a BIG contract to an IT consulting company to develop the thing, who get tons of money to send junior devs to release a buggy tool that no one will ever use because migrations cost a lot. This new app will die like the others.

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's made by the DINUM, not an outside consulting company. And the product made by the DINUM (Tchap, France Connect …) are still in use.

[–] tino@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I doubt that there are significant development teams at the DINUM. They coordinate projects but do not build anything. On LinkedIn, here are the main skills associated with the company:

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes because the department of the DINUM that made it, the « Opérateur de produits interministériels » is only one of it's many department. I can link you multiple French article that explain it was developed by the DINUM. Please research a little bit before posting, looking for skills on LinkedIn means nothing. Also the French entrepreneurs that usually get contracts for this were very angry about it.

[–] daq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

All this instead of just hiring a few senior devs to contribute to any of the number of existing open source projects that are already infinitely better than any new thing they will come up with.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 182 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.

ETA: I'm not defending Microsoft's usage of the term 'Visio' here. The French use of that term makes a lot of sense, and Microsoft has an annoying tendency of using and copyrighting very common terms like 'Word' or 'SQL Server'. And France (or the French government) should be allowed to use it for their video conferencing software. I'm just smiling at the idea of some people opening Microsoft Visio by mistake and trying to figure out how to make a call through a diagramming app.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 71 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Microslop can cry about it.

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[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 48 points 4 days ago

To be fair, I find the idea of a government outsourcing IT needs to entities under the sovereignty of foreign governments kind of fundamentally problematic to begin with.

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Anything that kicks big tech's teeth in is good.

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[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 120 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Now replace Windows with Linux, and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

I don't understand why governments trust official matters in the hands of closed source software and suspicious hardware. Even China uses a special version of Windows 11 in public computers, this is nuts.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.

China has been working intensely for at least 2 decades to catch up, and they are still about a decade behind!

Netherlands has ASML which is a huge advantage for European independent manufacturing, but even with that it's an insanely expensive investment to make a realistic competitor to AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Broadcom etc. because they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid, and they have decades of know how. This is not even accounting for the software infra structure that would have to be built almost from scratch.
Chip production is a global enterprise, and even USA isn't independent anymore. They depend on ASML and TSMC for their most popular products in AI, Smartphones, servers, laptops and desktops. And more and more Arm is taking over from Intel/AMD.

What we may be able to do would be using Arm and have TSMC help us with manufacturing. But to make such a project succeed is not an easy thing, we had European computer companies in the 70's and 80's that were heavily subsidized by governments that dominated home markets for several European countries, and they essentially all failed against international competition.
So what we risk if we were required to use a European product funded by EU/European governments would be to have to use an overpriced under-performing technology, that would be a millstone around the neck of all of Europe, making Europe not catch up, but instead fall further behind.

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (14 children)

Trump is amazing. He literally destroys anything he touches and still get rewarded for it. Just wow.

Edit: Destroys casinos and hotels. Gets rewarded a tv show. Destroy multiple brands. Get rewarded the presidency. Destroys so many American lives. Gets rewarded the presidency a second time. Destroys the United States and it's ties with it's allies. Gets rewarded with untold billions.

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[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 45 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Good on them, but I Wonder why they can't just build on top of something open source like Nextcloud.

It already has the majority of the Office-365 suite

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I don't know on what it's based on, but it's open source and audited.

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Because the French government is hell bent on saving money, but they don't care about anyone's privacy at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they are building a privacy nightmare system here. Having said that, at least they are removing Microslop, and anything that could potentially hurt Microslop in any way, shape or form, is a good thing.

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[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Why do european tech companies need to call their products the same name as already established american products. Don't they google the names before they make the decision?

[–] bobby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

tech companies

The French government is not a tech company.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 20 points 4 days ago

Visio is an outdated spreadsheet name, in English.

Visio is the new video conferencing software, in French.

France leads the world, it is up to everyone else to worry about conflict with France, not the other way around. /s

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 6 points 3 days ago

It's the French common name for this, visioconférence. Why would they care about Microsoft products for this?

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[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 65 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (14 children)

This is only a part of france's "LaSuite" (very original name guys), that seemingly will replace every equivalent american service.

https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/

They generally work pretty well (demo on the site) and are a mix of homegrown solutions and rebrands of existing projects like matrix. All of them are open source.

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[–] vane@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)
[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's open source and they have documentation for self-hosting it !

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[–] Kastael@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This was long overdue.

Microsoft Office should be next.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 days ago

They already developed alternatives for Microsoft Office:

https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/docs as an alternative to word

https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/grist as an alternative for excel and data management (much better than excel in my opinion)

It's open source, actively developed with Germany and the Netherlands (as I'm writing this post the last commit to doc was 49min ago) and self hostableby any administration or company who want to do it.

[–] mudkip@lemdro.id 10 points 4 days ago

Stop replying on U.S. companies for technologies that provide the backbone of our governments!

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 34 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Nice, replace Microslop Windows too pls.

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[–] plz1@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Lol, replacing one o365 product with one named identically to another o365 product, classic.

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[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I still don’t understand why half of the US still support a president that is doing a long term damage

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[–] CactusEcho@piefed.social 34 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Why not jitsi meet? Isn't better to use an already "established" opensource conferencing tool?

They could just selfhost their instance.

[–] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They've been building an entire open source suite of software tailored to their needs. If I had to guess, Jitsi isn't performant enough for large (100+) user meetings in a way they can scale easily. It's a great tool, but it seems better geared towards smaller loads. Video conferencing at scale is a pretty big challenge.

Between this, their new Docs platform and some Matrix-based chat platforms, I think this is something they've put a fair bit of thought into how they want to build. Overall, it's a cool initiative, but I think it's pretty clear that it's open source as a means to be transparent as a government organization rather than to form a platform for broad use by everyone. They do have some self-hosting instructions on their GitHub though.

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