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[two characters are arguing in a break room, coffee machine and all]

[teal, holding a coffee cup] Without mentioning avocado, explain to me what guacamole is

[purple, taken aback] Huh?!

[zoom on teal's very smug face, the coffee steaming in front of them] I knew it You can't Your guac ideology doesn't work Heh Pft Owned

[purple looks blasé and has no words]

https://thebad.website/comic/average_ideological_debate

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[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 137 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

A creamy, fat rich, savory fruit paste traditionally served with Hispanic food. It serves to accent the seasoning of spicy dishes by balancing the heat to allow more of the complex flavors through. It's also popularly consumed on its own as a dip. While some of these things can be accomplished by sour cream or humus, both have their own distinctive qualities that prevent them from being a 1:1 comparison.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Do you want to take this inside, guac boy?

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Ideally yes, it's cold in these parts and I'm not fond of pants.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Is there chips and guacamole?

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[–] Foxfire@pawb.social 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"That savory fruit in your description? Nothing more than a direct stand in for the very avocado I told you couldn't be used to form your description. You don't get to genie your way out of your obvious inability to describe your precious ideology without making an appeal to an avocado by any other name."

-Very smart Internet person

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Truely I was a fool to challenge a redditor when pedantism is on the line.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

I don't want to explain guac without avocados

[–] ultrahamster64@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Please stop I'm gonna salivate to death

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's so weird to me when I hear people describe avocados as fruit. Because they are clearly. But it just feels wrong to me and I don't know why.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nutty flavor, fatty texture. If someone called them a legume it'd still feel wrong, but less wrong.

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yes! This is it this is the one I'm most comfortable with so far.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If you're at all from the US it may be due to use to us teaching that sweet things are fruit and not sweet things are vegetables.

That 90's era food pyramid really fucked up a generation.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Ok, so there's like 2...4...no more than like 10 or 12 exceptions to the rule.

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

No, see cuz you calling it a vegetable just sounds equally weird to me. They're both weird. I don't know why.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Do you suppose the fact that they're green and savory, instead of sweet has anything to do with it?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ok, now do it without mentioning food, food preparation, or eating.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The correct rebuttal to this is to drown them in guac.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Green stuff people like to dip crunchy yellow triangles in.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not a culinary fruit, it's a culinary vegetable. There's a botanical classification system, and a different culinary classification system. When describing food it is incorrect to use the botanical classifier.

Other than that, good description

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Anyone downvoting this wanna say why? Because I'm correct.

[–] funksoulkitchen@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 1 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you, Scotty.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Guacamole is a mash made of fruit and spices, often used as dip for corn chips.

[–] Cattail@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

pushes glasses Fruits like grapes?! Dint you know that mashed grapes make a jelly

Owned!

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Add in pectin and guac can be jelly, too. 😌

[–] Cattail@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Damn I meant jam. Put how guac jelly would spread

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

I have to imagine it spreads worse than plain guac. The pectin would make it thicker. I think... 🤔

God damn it, now I need some pectin and a mason jar to do some science...

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] brianary@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 3 points 2 weeks ago

Eh, tomato, avocado.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

You're both right.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Dude, where you getting your apples?

[–] Cattail@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

As a socialist, I get a "name a socialist country that...."

And I ask "define socialist country" and they lose this shit. Do they want to simply change what socialist country means as I drop answers or just gonna have some weird argument about my answers

[–] Miner_Fabs@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's mocking people that engage in bad-faith ideological debates.

Avocado is an essential ingredient in making guacamole, but, by "banning" its mention in the discussion and consequently stymying the opponent, the first figure is assuming and posturing as if they won a legitimate debate.

Which is so obviously false as to be humorous.

[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I've had this exact scenario on reddit, many years ago. I can't remember the specifics but it was literally like this comic. "Without using the core part of this topic, you can't explain how this topic works"

IIRC it was climate change (back when that was the hot button political issue) and something like "oh yeah, well without using man made CO2 emissions, explain the rise in CO2 and temperature, you can't", where their point was that it was "volcanoes"

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Never heard of anyone doing that ngl. Except possibly secularists with arguments about certain morality, eg, "without using the Bible, explain how homosexuality is immoral" although I think I've only come across that one twice

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I feel like that's different, as the point is to make the moralist admit that they want Christian Religious Law.

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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Without using plate tectonics, explain how fish fossils ended up on mountains. That’s right, it must be the Noah flood.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Never heard that one, that's quite mental. One thing I heard from a young earth creationist was that "global warming isn't accurate because it's using an assumption that the earth is 6-10,000 years old".... Although in that case, wouldn't it be much more urgent?

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Like people that try to nullify an argument against cars by saying "well you have a car so you are a hypocrite"... we may all be forced to own a car but that does not preclude anyone from understanding what's negative about cars or cities designed for driving

Seasoned drupe paste.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago
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