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Just pick one - All the Fox functionality without bloatware

Librewolf - https://librewolf.net/

Waterfox - https://www.waterfox.com/

Zen Browser - https://zen-browser.app/

More browsers here - https://alternativeto.net/category/browsers/firefox-based/

You can also use this add to disable the ~~shitload~~ ai function in many search engines in one go

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-ai/

GitHub page - https://github.com/jruns/disable-ai

You can find all the links on Mastodon<

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[–] parzival@lemmy.org 2 points 1 day ago
[–] djvinniev77@lemmy.ca 94 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Really hate how iOS has zero alternatives. Thanks apple for your stupid WebKit.

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Could be worse, seriously. Safari is not a bad browser and WebKit is the only engine since years that can keep up with chromium. I get that it is annoying to have leas freedom on iOS, but I also appreciate the increased security[1] and quality of life that comes with it.

[1] yes, I am aware that open source software tends to be more secure, as it can be reviewed by all. However, Android by default is way less secure than iOS, unless you use GraphiteOS or similar.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I also appreciate the increased security

This hasn't been true for a long, long time. Mac was only ever more secure than windows because not enough people used them to make them worthwhile attack vectors. Nowadays, iOS sees just as many vulnerabilities as every other popular OS.

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[–] Kevlar21@piefed.social 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Safari on iOS is especially tolerable since they allowed uBlock Origin Lite onto the App Store recently.

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

They whaaat? Finally!!

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[–] nil@piefed.ca 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I bought an old Pixel 7a with (new) case for less than $179 USD and put Graphene OS on it. Definitely cheaper than buying youself a new iPhone, and installation is easy af.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There are some good iOS browsers.

At the moment, I use Orion (from Kagi) and Narrow32. Quiche Browser is good, DuckDuckGo is fine.

Discoverability on iOS is awful though. The store is just packed with SEO spam and corporate slop on top of all the passion projects or "benevolent" ones.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 32 points 3 days ago (4 children)

At the moment, iOS doesn’t not allow any other browser engines. Every browser on iOS is just reskinned Safari.

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[–] enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was ignoring everything Waterfox back when I realize they were bought by an advertising company, System1, which also owns StartPage.

BUT, I recently read from Wikipedia that Waterfox has gone independent again since 2023.

[–] rustyricotta@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As someone who uses waterfox but hadn't heard any of this news, that was a rollercoaster. But consider me relieved.

[–] enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago

I also just installed Waterfox for the first time after reading the Wikipedia page. I use it to replace Firefox to be used when I need webgl or webrtc/voice call. my main browser is still Librewolf

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] hummingbird@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Impressive how management can blindly ignore their own core pricipals.

[–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (3 children)

As a heads up, Librewolf last I checked had issues with media involving DRM. Ergo, streaming services will throw a fit if you try using them on it. Not an issue if you don't use any of course, and there may be ways around it, but worth knowing that it doesn't work out of the box at least.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

it's in settings > general

"screenshot of librewolf's play drm-controlled content setting"

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[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, you have to enable a setting. I think it links you to it when you run into it. Much more of a turn off to me is not being able to use my camera in it, so I have to use a different browser for video calls.

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[–] lena 4 points 3 days ago

I refuse to use any services that make use of DRM on principle. They're defective by design.

[–] Aetherion@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Right now the hold up for me is session sharing and password syncing between mobile and Linux.

Passwords I have a clear path forward, with either offline mgr + manual sync, or self-hosted online. But I it's weirdly hard to walk away from session sharing.

Edit oh nice, waterfox does all this.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago

Hell yeah shoutout to alternativeto.net! Fucking great site.

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (17 children)

And at some point someone will tell me what is so horrifying about these new features? Mozilla might be the only company trying to provide privacy first AI features. What exactly is so bad here? You can even disable these features if you do not like them at all.

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

The problem is that they're pushing it without any way for those of us who really don't want that crap to strip it out of the browser. I don't want all this ai garbage, never asked for it, and am harassed at every corner by every fucking company thinking it's somehow going to change the world.

Sure, Mozilla allows you to turn off some of these features, but I've already had it reenabled in updates after previously disabling it. Further, many of the settings are buried in about:config, which is not a user-friendly way to make those changes. At best, these functionalities should be opt-in and presented as addons that can be installed, rather than being a core part of the browser that cannot be removed.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It is opt in. Or will be. And they're adding an AI switch.

Not disagreeing with you, just adding context.

The bigger problem is that they're wasting their finite resources on this crap instead of adding actually cool features like their forks are doing.

[–] risottobias@slrpnk.net 1 points 7 hours ago

It isn't, it's been silently reenabled each update

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They keep saying their ai features will be opt-in, and yet everything they've rolled out so far is opt-out. I struggle to believe future 'features' will be any different. Maybe it's opt-in in the sense that I'm not required to click whichever button activates it, like whatever they added to the context menu, but that's not really what opt-in means and degrades my trust in Mozilla.

I'm also frustrated by their seeming inability to focus on their core browser product and building a popular competitor to chromium browsers instead of going off on side quests.

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[–] techt@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'll try to give an out-of-the-loop answer to this, if that helps. Concerning "AI" tools, I think the chunk of people who don't want it included in the browser on any level come in one or both of two forms. One is a moral opposition -- for example, a pro-environmental or pro-artist stance. I don't think those need much explanation, but feel free to say otherwise.

The other is in my opinion is in response to exhaustion. Pro-"AI" features have proven themselves to be untrustworthy at nearly every turn with thoughtless or downright irresponsible implementations. A worthwhile use-case is the exception rather than the norm and It's tiring to have to constantly check if this time I want it on or not. As a result of opt-in-by-default changes to privacy policies or account settings, my trust in any site or app publishing an "AI" implementation has been broken and it's nice to have options I don't have to worry about wherever I can get them. I found it irritatingly tone-deaf that Mozilla wasn't considering a kill-switch with their first swing at this.

If it seems unreasonable or hard-to-understand, I think taking a step back and looking at the broader software industry rather than just Mozilla will help.

[–] trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

These are all valid reasons. I'll also add that I personally desire manual control over my computing experience. A huge part of the reason I run Linux is that it does exactly what I tell it to and nothing more. When you start introducing other agents to my user agent, it ceases to be a user agent. Something else is arranging my tabs. Something is popping info up into in my face that I didn't ask to see (and which might be incorrect). I just want these things to go away so my browser can be my browser again and not be under the control of a random word guesser.

Yes, I have turned these features off, but I don't even want them installed. They've been force-installed onto my system through software that didn't used to do that. If I lose my config, I have to go turn it all back off again. I'd rather just not have the feature anywhere in the software. I'd rather Firefox just not smuggle AI features onto my PC at all.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Firefox is not the devil, but "ideologies aside", the basic idea is:

  1. (Just like microsoft), They could have just decided to put it in one of the "many" variant of the product, name it FoxAI, let the users decide and call a day. Instead, they've chosen to force a very heavy component like that on the main version out of blue.

  2. Switched or not. Now, you'll have 'way' more bloat on a browser, who should be focused on speed and performance.

  3. The whole thing about AI on free stuff is to get as much data as possible to train. You have to trust them to switch it off completely.

[–] onehundredsixtynine@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You can even disable these features if you do not like them at all

As a smart person said:

BETTER IT NOT EXIST AT ALL

If I went to a restaurant, they placed a hot steaming stinky turd sandwich on my table and then went “oh, but you don’t have to have it”, I still wouldn’t fucking eat there.

Why should we be okay with the Turd Sandwich that is ~~crypto being served by Brave~~ LLM features served by Mozilla being opt-in???

-gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone

[–] cambodia@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Mozilla is still the only company maintaining an alternative to Chromium (there's also webkit if you count Apple). Without Firefox you can't have Librewolf or other alternatives.

Mozilla is not perfect but people really need to stop treating them in a purely binary fashion (you are either horrible or are perfect).

You can criticize Mozilla for the direction they are taking with Firefox, but also you can argue that being a hardcore privacy-centric browser will kill interest for Firefox even faster.

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