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[–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 points 55 minutes ago

LadyBird & Servo cannot come fast enough.

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

personally I bounce between FF and Brave. Neither are ideal, FF for the reasons cited here and Brave because it stinks of crypto bro. I personally want FF to survive, it's the only non-chromium browser with any significant market share. I'm looking forward to Ladybird though.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

such is life. no one stays good forever. Enshittification is inevitable... alas...

[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Took me too long to realize the paws applying the makeup don’t belong to the fox

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Unpopular opinion: the Firefox hate is completely out of proportion.

Whether we like it or not, a lot of users are interacting with the internet through AI agents. Every browser larger than Firefox already has AI agents locked into the browser. Firefox is providing an option for people who would like to use it, and that's it. They're providing it in a better and safer context, in which users can define the scope of access that the AI has, which AI agent they want to use, or even use a local AI model.

A lot of people here will start simping for the Google-backed Chromium browsers, or for crypto mining browsers, or for browsers that are essentially reskinned Firefox.

I've used the beta version that's out now. There's a little pop-up when it updates that says, hey, would you like to set up your choice of AI agent? If you don't want one, you just click no thanks and skip it and everything else still works the same.

Maybe I'm the one with the clown makeup in the last panel, but I just don't see what the big deal is for everybody.

[–] Tilgare@lemmy.world 1 points 39 seconds ago

I like your take. An optimistic me would be fully onboard with it. But this isn't a single change in a vacuum. I think the reason people aren hating is because they're seeing it as yet another symptom of enshitification, and I don't disagree.

There are rare examples of outstanding companies like Steam that talk the talk and walk the walk. But with Firefox, they're headed the wrong direction. They cut 30% of their staff this time last year, cut their internet freedom advacacy group, and I think that was the point where they started a hard shift away from who they were. They're harvesting and selling user data now (removed the old "Nope. Never have, never will" [sell user data] from their FAQ), they've got a CEO that's taking an absolute fortune off the top of a struggling company, and they're steadily removing long time features like pocket integration and compact mode.

The last straw will be if Google ever pulls their deal as Firefox's default search engine... Mozilla will very likely pivot hard to nasty, modern money making practices to keep themselves alive if they lose 80% of their revenue all at once like that.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago

So while I generally agree with everything you have to say here, there are only two things I want to add.

Firstly, and potentially my more salient point, a lot of end users doing something is nearly never a reason to do something, if that thing itself is bad.

Bringing to my second point, AI is being done in the worst, and nearly most unethical, way. Participating in that front is only encouraging this behavior amongst heinous tech leaders to continue this farcical push to oblivion.

And while this isn't a point of contention worth discussing, since it's entirely my already decided opinion that I have no interest in reconsidering, but AI injection is a step further into enshittification of the last true competitor to google. It erodes mindshare and trust among the loyal and evangelizers. I know personally I'm now a little conflicted on recommending FF. On the one hand, it's still the best recommendation, but we've also watched this type of decline many times before and it generally spells the end when a product goes the direction of trendy fads and enshittifying for short term gains at the expense of long term gains and user trust.

[–] Poxlox@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago

Yes, yes you are the last panel

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 18 points 23 hours ago

The backlash is over the CEO's comments of "evolving into an AI browser" instead of the current implementation

Isn't this already covered with extensions, though?

[–] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No no, you are not the clown and absolutely right. This fad will end soon as all the others.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Just like that pesky "internet" thing people are always talking about.

[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (9 children)

So if Mozilla is turning into mozzarella, what's the best next alternative?

[–] Zagam@piefed.social 42 points 1 day ago (16 children)

I like Librewolf on my PC. It shuts down a bunch of stuff right off he bat.

I'm looking for some recommendations for android devices.

[–] url@feddit.fr 3 points 9 hours ago

Go with ironfox on android. Can't recommend fennec they skip updates

[–] felbane@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can second LibreWolf, though you have to be aware that it tweaks quite a few things in the name of privacy that you may want to turn back on.

For example, I was unable to use my FoundryVTT webapp until I re-enabled WebGL in the settings. Which reminds me, I need to see if that feature can be whitelisted per-domain or if it's all-or-nothing...

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, for those, I keep another, less private browser around. Like chromium or Water Fox.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago)

Man, missed opportunity there on WaterFox. Could've been WaterBear lol

edit: tardigrade joke, though I imagine most will catch that.

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[–] vogi@piefed.social 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I unironically use https://servo.org/ from time to time for light surfing like researching something on wikipedia.

It breaks on most modern websites especially SPAs of course its like super alpha but its heading in the right direction its great to have a alternative showing up in times like this.

Still have Firefox with all AI disabled for heavy usage and stuff like banking.

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There are a few browsers/browser engines in the works, but right now you could try a Firefox fork

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Can someone cue (or is it queue? que?) me in on what all the fuzz is this time around? I feel like I hear a pitchfork mob at least once a year without actually noticing anything different.

Just for the record: I'm not claiming that there's much ado about nothing, merely that I am severely out of the loop as usual.

[–] Lightfire228@pawb.social 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Firefox is the biggest non-chromium browser competitor, and was an advocate of privacy and not selling user data

But they recently did a 180, started selling user data, and are now shoving FF full of AI bloatware nobody wants

So the userbase is feeling very betrayed

[–] morto@piefed.social 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Wait, selling user data? What did I miss?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Their argument is “we’re not selling your data, we’re selling our data about you.”

[–] Lightfire228@pawb.social 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

https://youtu.be/4litc5DxoHQ

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/

TL;DR Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you (in the way that most people think about “selling data”), and we don’t buy data about you. We changed our language because some jurisdictions define “sell” more broadly than most people would usually understand that word. Firefox has built-in privacy and security features, plus options that let you fine-tune your data settings.

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#diff-a24e74e4595fa85440a2f4e7e5dcfe68aba6e1e593aef05a2d35581a91423847R59

Removing "no we will never sell your data" from your Q/A page is not a good look

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[–] BeN9o@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The new CEO has said he wants to turn Firefox into a "modern day AI browser"

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago

He also said he doesn’t want to but they could make $150m/year by blocking ad blockers.

I get that he said he doesn’t want to, but that really should have been a non starter train of thought.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's "clue" me in on. But "cue" does make sense, from an "eggcorn" perspective. It's not the phrase, but it makes sense.

[–] valek879@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

It's also "fuss" not "fuzz" but like no biggie, most people can pick up meanings from context clues.

[–] solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

"Clue me in" is the idiom. ~~Que~~ Cue is closer than queue, if you were an actor and needed a hint on where to go next.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

A cue is a marker point, usually for media production. It can be used in several contexts.

Queue would be a line, more or less.

I'm being reductive, of course. Just trying to help people who are too lazy to Google or look at a dictionary.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago

These would be great with added text

My candidates are:

  1. We can survive without Google’s money
  2. People want Pocket by default. So what if shares your data and fills your homepage with ads.
  3. We want expand Firefox into a suite and make it AI first
  4. We’re giving up $150m/year by not blocking ad blockers
[–] Auster@thebrainbin.org 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

From what I've been noticing, they're going downhill since they started being supported by their competitor and monopoly. Could they be suffering from sabotage, I wonder...

[–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hasn't google pretty much always supported Mozilla/firefox? I was pretty sure this was the case since basically forever.

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[–] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

What alternatives exist that aren't so locked down 90% of sites don't load?

Is it only ff forks and chromium forks? All dependant on two terrible companies?

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

LibreWolf or WaterFox

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Either servo (funded by donations and Linux foundation Europe), or ladybird (funded by donations and some tech company sponsorships).

[–] mustbe3to20signs@feddit.org 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't servo the engine that was originally started by Mozilla to replace gecko but then dropped?

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yes. It was revived recently (two years ago??) by Linux foundation Europe because there is some renewed interest in!it.

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