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[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

I'm so fucking tired of CEOs and their shit-ass ideas

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Everyone hated that

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 21 hours ago
[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

What a douche.

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

"Modern", "AI" - buzzwords for shareholders

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 23 points 1 day ago

No. One. Wants. That.

We have nowhere better to go. But that's only for now, you short-sighted dumbass...

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 119 points 2 days ago (3 children)

AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off.

How about you make it something people have to turn on, and make it useful enough that they will enable it?

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 70 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Or, better yet, step down as CEO. Pick someone who is in touch with what the project's dedicated userbase actually wants.

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[–] gressen@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago

Right, opt-in not opt-out.

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[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

What I want: a secure browser that does just that and nothing more.

I'm so sick of AI everything.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 71 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Headline is misleading. That is one sentence from a list of three points.

  • First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.
  • Second: our business model must align with trust. We will grow through transparent monetization that people recognize and value.
  • Third: Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.

I think the more important statement, and one that I agree with, is in the first point.

AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.

If this is the goal then I agree. Mush as AI annoys me, I don't care if they build AI features into the browser. There are enough people that do want AI features for it makes sense to do so. But it needs to be optional. I don't want to have to keep going into about:config to disable AI features that should have been opt-in in the first place.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

choices like this should always be opt in, not opt out

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[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 days ago (16 children)

No.

AI is something that the user can easily turn on.

If somebody is forced to turn it off before they can use their browser, it's not actually optional.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The best choice is to let the user know that such a feature is available first, ask if they want it on, and tell them how to turn it on if they say no. The problem with having things off by default is that most people don't look around the options, they go with what they're given. This isn't even about AI, but features in general.

Myself on both Firefox and DuckDuckGo I saw the AI selection prominently displayed and I disabled it. Be transparent, but that includes letting your users know things are there.

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[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The possibility of choice is a relief. But if one has a lot of storage bloat for some "features" one doesn't use, that's annoying.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Personally, I find all this talk of "choice" from Mozilla to be a red herring. What exactly does it mean?

When Mozilla introduced telemetry, they had to give us a reason. They had to promise it was good because it would help them develop their browser. But with talk of "choice," Mozilla simply implies AI is good without explaining how.

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[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I guess im looking for a new browser. Anyone have a good alternative?

[–] CodyIwatzky@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 day ago

How about LibreWolf?

As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick "official" toot to then pin: we haven't and won't support "generative AI" related stuff in LibreWolf. If you see some features like that (like Perplexity search recently, or the link preview feature now) it is solely because it "slipped through". As soon as we become aware of something like this / it gets reported to us, we will remove/disable it ASAP.

https://chaos.social/@librewolf/115716906957137196

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dear AI Techbros.

Why is AI in my browser something desirable for the common man?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It helps shareholders. Obligatory, I'm not a techbro

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[–] nostrauxendar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago
[–] tomorrow@leminal.space 52 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Third: Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.

Oh, geez.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

My same reaction. Sometimes you just need to do one thing well, particularly when they thing you're doing is this very general use multipurpose interfacing tool.

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[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] FUsername@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Fucking yikes.

[–] solomonschuler@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The entire premise of me going on a fucking tangent trying to reclaim my privacy and identity is because of the invasiveness of AI. I didn't sign up to Mozilla to be fed more AI bullshit, I did it quite the inverse. The fact that I can't be left the fucking god damn alone from AI enshitification infuriates me.

Am I going to need to build my own fucking web browser to avoid this shit?! Rhetorical question, the answer is yes, yes I will.

Quick, I got 5 weeks of break before classes start for me again, if any developer wants to build a web browser from scratch with me let me know and ill make the github repo.

Edit: on second thought we could implement our browser as a fork of gnome web instead of from scratch. GNOME web isn't a derivative/fork of Firefox or chromium, however there are components from apple, like it's rendering engine. Besides that, it's not a bad idea to use

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 21 hours ago

Or even better surely would be contributing to gnome web directly?

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Mozilla is a lost cause, and Firefox is too big to be rescued by one singular web-browsing development entity (that's because the web has become too complicated so as to allow for terminal capitalism).

The solution is, honestly, for a well-constituted organization to hard-fork the web standards model as a whole package, to start a sort of "re-web" project. Pick up something like gemini but iterate it to a level where it can actually be useful (gemini, nifty as it is, is actually less capable of layout and styling than the printing press from the 1500s and that's saying something). Maintain a "convertible subset" of HTML+CSS as an input option for people who want to maintain and develop simple sites that might want to eventually convert to re-web.

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[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’ve already switched to librewolf because of the ai update

It’s really just a matter of trust and they’ve clearly chosen to trust ai first and users second. That’s why you must turn it off instead of having to turn it on.

sad state of affairs

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