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California nearly triggered a seismic shift in American kitchens this fall.

A bill phasing out the sale of nonstick pans made with polytetrafluoroethylene—a type of PFAS “forever chemical”—cleared the state legislature in September with overwhelming support. Given the well-documented health risks associated with production of PTFE, commonly known as Teflon, advocates fully expected Gov. Gavin Newsom to sign SB 682 into law.

But then the celebrity chefs showed up.

Days before Newsom was set to rule on the bill, a wave of similarly worded letters to the California State Legislature appeared. Celebrity chefs Rachael Ray, David Chang, Thomas Keller, and Marcus Samuelsson all insisted that Teflon was safe when used correctly. Their letters warned that the bill was alarmist, unnecessary, and unfair to home cooks and professional chefs alike. Their message was polished, unified, and amplified across national media.

In the end, Newsom echoed their concerns. “I am deeply concerned about the impact this bill would have on the availability of affordable options in cooking products,” he wrote in his veto message.

But the chefs weren’t acting alone. They were working on behalf of The Cookware Sustainability Alliance, a newly created lobbying group representing some of the world’s largest pan manufacturers, which argued the bill would drive up consumer prices and needlessly restrict a “safe” product.

The reason the chefs’ letters aligned so cleanly with the CSA’s talking points is, in retrospect, unsurprising: They all have financial relationships with companies that produce and sell PTFE-coated pans—the same companies that fund the CSA, a joint investigation by Atmos and Heated found.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 78 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Those same celebrity chefs that are given shitloads of cash to advertise shitty overpriced teflon pans? Also affordability? Lol. Cast iron is pretty cheap and will outlast you.

[–] budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember when teflon pans first became popular and the celebrity chefs were all adamant that they were common trash unlike whatever bougie cookware they were using.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Probably hadn't been offered enough money yet to shill for chemical waste.

[–] Masterkraft0r@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, prefer cast iron myself for a frying pan but go with which ever you like. Got stainless for saucepans.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I switched to a carbon steel frying pan recently and couldn't be happier. All the benefits of cast iron but a fraction of the weight. Just as nonstick as Teflon without the health risks. Highly recommended.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This.
But it's bad for capitalism bcs it's a good product that can last you a lifetime & private capital can't profit from you beyond that one purchase.

It's fucking disguising.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It also kills my retail therapy that keeps my depression in check.

I'm only half joking there. I don't want disposable things to fill the hole. I have a stainless steel pan, a carbon steel pan, cast iron, and enamel cast iron. I'll never need another pan in my life. Whoever gets it after they die likely won't either. One of my cast iron pans is over 100 years old and works great. Looks almost like new.

But I do want something to fill the hole some days. I just keep buying old world craftsmanship so I never have to replace shit so I never get my retail therapy.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I suggest drugs. You get your hole filled spending the money, then again using the drugs. You get double the hole penetration

[–] miked@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

The thrill with illegal drugs is the chase. Actually getting them. The money is nothing.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 week ago

Just buy things worth supporting, something that isn't killing people or nature that much.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] qupada@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The beauty is you can just go and get one (which may have no brand name whatsoever) for $20 at a restaurant supply store.

If you want one that'll look nice in your kitchen, you could try one from De Buyer.

[–] TeNppa@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

I have 2 De Buyers myself and they really are so much better than teflons. The instructions that came with it literally said: "The pan is usable unless it has a hole on it". The cheaper ones tend to be much thinner so they won't retain heat as well and can bend under heat and stress. Those De Buyers will go from generation to another.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Misen is the gold standard, but unless you are rich or a pro chef, the Merten and Storck pan is just as good.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Health risks aside, I hate Teflon shit. It wears out, throw it, buy another. And it's not a thing you usually get used because it's trashed.

I'm all in on cast iron, but now I have my eye on carbon steel pans. Had carbon steel knives for years, love to try a pan!

[–] noodles@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 week ago

Carbon steel is great, I've had a pan for about a year and it outperforms my 2 year old nonstick allclad hands down--even for french onlettes-if used right. Definitely a learning curve and a bit of work but also if it gets messed up it's not trash like the nonstick is.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My impression was that Teflon pans became obsolete decades ago. We have so many better, affordable options now.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ceramic non-stick is vastly more expensive.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It depends.

Go to tjmaxx and you can get a single ceramic coated pot or pan for $25 or so.

Do that for 1 large pot, 1 skillet, 1 veggie/sauce pan, and you're under $100 for 3 really good pots and pans.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 6 points 1 week ago

Same for hard anodized aluminium and nitrided iron, which I think are both safer than Teflon. And enamel?

[–] kindenough@kbin.earth 3 points 1 week ago

Great tip.

Tkmaxx here in Europe, got a 5L Brandani Dutch Oven for 44€ 2 weeks ago. I always check them for durable kitchen tools.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

And will last vastly longer, without the hassle of replacement and without having to deal with intermediate decay stages.

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Veritasium did a great video on this. The Teflon coating itself isn't harmful, it's the process of putting the Teflon on the pan that creates a large amount of PFAS. These celebrity chefs are being disingenuous at best, but these days I can't even muster the energy to pretend to be surprised when people vote in favour of a puppy burning machine.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is why I don't think Newsom will make it through the primaries, he likes to talk the talk, but rarely actually backs it up.

[–] figjam@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

Newsom Always Chickens Out.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Great video about nonstick pans from Minute Food / Earth: https://youtu.be/R1hbV3EzOD4

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Jesus fucking Christ. I thought The Purge was an idiotic idea. I'm no longer of the same mindset.

[–] thegreenman@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Becuase somehow during the purge the rich and influential will somehow be vulnerable instead of the right-wing billionaires literally pushing the poor into a literal lava pit?

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

No I just think it's a terribly flawed idea and no longer a completely idiotic idea that holds zero appeal. Now there is a non zero amount of interest in the idea.

[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Any time you think it's not about the money, it's about the money.