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submitted 3 weeks ago by basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sometimes file operations are easier in GUI. That's... pretty close to being all though. As long as you're willing to use the best tool for the job as needed, that's what counts.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

If you are moving/deleting multiple (but not all) files in a directory I 100% agree. But as soon as you just handle single files or directory's I'm usually faster with the terminal. This is especially true when you have to edit config file. No way I Am searching my way through /etc/ in a GUI

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

17 year old me learning Linux with Ubuntu: googles "Linux tutorial [thing I want to do] GUI"

30 year old me wrangling my 20th new Debian install: the only reason I'm installing a desktop environment is to make memes with GIMP and play Steam games. if I can't change the setting using the terminal I'm probably not going to bother changing it.

[–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

steam?? scoff.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Them: uninstalling Linux

surprised pikachu face

[+] basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com -17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

kernal bug disables their graphics driver

they have no gui and have never learned how to run a command

noone's there to help them learn this time

they cry and uninstall linux (the graphics could be fixed with a one-liner if they had learned to not have terminal phobia)

unsurprised pikachu face

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's both funny and sad you seriously think this is a good argument.

A modern, accessible OS comes with graphical rollback features or even self-repair routines (but usually the first one for Linux in the form of bootable snapshots, or at least the last working kernel at minimum).

If your distro doesn't have the last working kernel available to boot they fail even the most basic thing of disaster recovery.

I'm more than glad there are, by now, more and more distros (and DE's) who finally good both the understanding as well as contributors and money to build an OS for everyone, not just sysadmins. Which includes a full GUI toolchain as integral part for basic accessibility. To expect everyone to become essentially a sysadmin when running Linux is the most common kind of harmful ignorance in the Linux community, and it's good this notion is slowly changing. If you like it or not, understanding abstract CLI commands that often work with OS design concepts (especially in emergency situations like yours) are junior sysadmin level stuff and hardly accessible to a majority of people outside if this bubble we're currently talking in. And people get immediately scolded for entering commands they don't understand, so any common user is effectively being left alone in your scenario. Alienating interested people like this is one major reason why we were stuck in a niche for almost 3 decades.

So please, talk to people outside of the Linux bubble (who may focus on other professions and abilities that take all their time, which you may even take for granted as available services) and try to empathize with their needs and point of view.

Shoutout to the lads at Bazzite, Mint, KDE, Flatpak and other projects for doing awesome work.

[+] basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Listen, it's OK if you have the terminal jitters still. It is really OK. But learning more about how the kind of thing we interact with increasingly often works (that being software, devices, etc.) has never hurt. And maybe it's just me, but I tend to think learning is good for stimulating the brain. And that is exactly what people need more of in the age of algorithms.

I'm sorry, but learning basic syntaxing and a handful of things about how your device actually functions cannot be a bad thing. And it is certainly not even sysadmin level stuff to teach a person. It's not even as complicated as algebra (middle to high school level stuff).

My source for my opinion on it's difficulty is based off from 10+ people of varying degrees of tech litaracy that I have helped learn some terminal things and they all picked it basically right up. It is fully reasonable to teach someone a new skill, so I don't understand the anti-terminal crowd such as yourself.

And yes, if they happen to have a gui that already does the thing they need, I tell them to use that. You took my meme to a rude place I think....

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's exactly the kind of belittling behaviour I'm criticizing. I'm a sysadmin. I'd just like to see everyone be free from extortion and am fed up with the alienating culture within the Linux- and, partially, hacking community. There's of course nothing against learning, but a lot against expecting people who just want to be on a boat trip to somewhere to slowly become sailors and blaming them when they're afraid of messing with core elements of the boat with specialized tools. They'll rather go to the overly friendly but creepy guy on the other boating service (Windows), as with them they at least know they'll arrive their actual destination. They very well might even be fully preoccupied with being someone you as a sailor depend on and have neither time nor interest to divest from that.

Then of course there is the accessibility aspect for disabled people (which also includes GUI and not just screenreaders, different people have different needs), but that's not a can of worms we should open or I may explode in your face.

Your meme isn't the issue. Your expectations and the way you belittle people is.

[–] basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I never said I, nor do I, expect shit from anyone. I don't blame people for not knowing how it works. This is exactly why I teach people with patience and understanding. Your assuming a lot of things about my stance based of your image of certain linux people. Please read what people actually say,, thank you.

PS.

People know I do computer stuff.

They ask me how to get away from microsoft.

I help them install mint.

timeskip

Mint breaks because linux always does (I love it, but it's just true)

They expect me to fix it, so I usually just start by teaching them how to fix things in the terminal.

It's just responsible linux ownership. I don't understand why it's different then knowing how to use a taskmanager gui in windows.

Can we please stop always pretending that people doing more then checking their email will be fine with linux without even touching a terminal. It's just a lie we try and pedal to convince people to switch. It's honestly kind of immoral tbh. It's not fair the terminal is needed and I do love that teams are taking the initiative to make it accessable, but goddamn! Let's stop lying about linux not being a bit finicky and sometimes requiring 1 or 2 lines of terminal code occassionally to work fine.

PPS.

There is a reason we teach people to change a flat tire if they own a car, and noone is yelling about that being "the reason noone wants a car".

[–] poke@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Well yeah, I wouldn't want my OS to take my graphics away randomly.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not the terminal demon!!

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 27 points 3 weeks ago

i am a cringe ass bitch and would unironically enjoy a terminal demon battling a GUI demon

oh also both spell it "daemon" *knee slap*

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

But my highly complicated git UI will let me do the same thing with 100 clicks and without understanding what I'm doing!

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh it's you. The reason mainstream adoption among normal users isn't here yet. Glad to meet you Satan. 🤝

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

The reason I Am always using the terminal is, since I on one hand prefer it than having to click through changing GUIs and for some things I dont even know how to do them with a GUI. First thing to come to mind is flashing an ISO file to a USB. While I know that balena Etcher exists, it never worked a single fucking time on various Distros. No matter if I used the AppImage or flatpack. So at some point I just started remembering the command for dd to do the exact same thing that works every single time.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How do I bake the best chocolate chip cookies?

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 3 points 3 weeks ago

first, you open chatgpt

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Man pages are wonderful, yes.

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How do I configure kde settings easier in the terminal than the gui?

[–] basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

"And type systemsettings5, hit enter"

[–] webp@mander.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There must've been a new season released, seeing this mfer everywhere

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

There was!

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Weird use of Alastor... Is the terminal going to chop them up with an axe and hang their smile up?

You guys must be using a pretty metal distro.

[–] notreallyhere@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

psh