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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

And it will leave you debugging strange code for two weeks afterward.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I think I keep having the same deja vu for at least three years now. That, or these execs are fucking liars telling the same lie for the past 3 years.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It's great at bullshitting that it did what you wanted, even if it obviously didn't, which I guess is what counts for results at Microsoft.

It would be much better if they treated it as the slightly better (yeah, I said it) auto complete that it is instead of the beginning of fucking sky net -- which was supposed to be a bad thing anyway, remember?

But that wouldn't move the needle on all of the share prices, so instead we have to pretend it can do people's jobs when it fucking obviously cannot.

So, instead they keep pushing this AI (auto-complete insanity), and keep burning more and more cash. Imagine if we just put a portion of these billions (approaching trillions) into anything that could actually help anyone. Or don't, because it's pretty fucking depressing to think about.

[–] Lyrac@programming.dev 5 points 8 hours ago

Big over-promise. We're heavily incentived to use an AI coding agent at work. I try to be optimistic and treat it like a tool to help me do things I already know how to do but a little bit faster. It takes multiple iterations of "no, this still isn't working" to get something that I can touch up and push for review. The idea that I can prompt it and then step away for ten minutes to make coffee and return to an app is ludicrous.

Maybe one day that will be possible. Then I'll find a new job I guess

[–] llama@lemmy.zip 17 points 11 hours ago

Actually it won't be finishing anything because code is disposable now and nobody cares what trivial app somebody can churn out

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Does its ai learn from people using vscode?

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

These fuckers at MicroShit have lost all the ability needed to read a room.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

When do you reckon they could last do that?

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago

Maybe after windows 8? Last time I can remember.

[–] lightnegative@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Writing code is the reward for doing the thinking. If the LLM does it then software engineering is no fun.

It's like painting - once you've finally finished the prep, which is 90% of the effort, actually getting to paint is the reward

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

What a great way to frame it, I love this! I typically spend something like 60-80% of time available for a given task thinking through approaches and trade-offs, etc. Usually there comes a point when the way forward becomes clear, even obvious.

After that? Bliss. I'm snapping together a LEGO set I designed, composed of pieces I picked (maybe made one or two new ones!), and luxuriating in how it all feels, when put together.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I mean it gets there in the end but it's often three of four prompts before it provides working code for a relatively simple powershell script. Can't imagine that it scales to complex code that well at the moment, but then again I'm not a coder.

[–] dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago

You’re pretty much spot on

[–] kyonshi@piefed.social 14 points 22 hours ago

Because you won't have time to drink that coffee if you put this code into production

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

What they forget to mention is that you then spend the rest of the week to fix the bugs it introduced and to explain why your code deleted the production database...

[–] YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 14 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Ah get outta here! Next time they’ll say that co pilot also chooses my furry porn and controls my buttplug while it codes for me.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Oh wow I didn't know about that butt plug thing. I'm playing in a chess tournament soon so that could come in handy

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Love how they're pretending that an LLM is useful for any task that needs precision.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 164 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It says it will finish the code, it doesn't say the code will work.

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 72 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Also just because the code works, doesn't mean it's good code.

I've had to review code the other day which was clearly created by an LLM. Two classes needed to talk to each other in a bit of a complex way. So I would expect one class to create some kind of request data object, submit it to the other class, which then returns some kind of response data object.

What the LLM actually did was pretty shocking, it used reflection to get access from one class to the private properties with the data required inside the other class. It then just straight up stole the data and did the work itself (wrongly as well I might add). I just about fell of my chair when I saw this.

So I asked the dev, he said he didn't fully understand what the LLM did, he wasn't familiar with reflection. But since it seemed to work in the few tests he did and the unit tests the LLM generated passed, he thought it would be fine.

Also the unit tests were wrong, I explained to the dev that usually with humans it's a bad idea to have the person who wrote the code also (exclusively) write the unit tests. Whenever possible have somebody else write the unit tests, so they don't have the same assumptions and blind spots. With LLMs this is doubly true, it will just straight up lie in the unit tests. If they aren't complete nonsense to begin with.

I swear to the gods, LLMs don't save time or money, they just give the illusion they do. Some task of a few hours will take 20 min and everyone claps. But then another task takes twice as long and we just don't look at that. And the quality suffers a lot, without anyone really noticing.

[–] airgapped@piefed.social 15 points 1 day ago

Great description of a problem I noticed with most LLM generated code of any decent complexity. It will look fantastic at first but you will be truly up shit creek by the time you realise it didn't generate a paddle.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 4 points 23 hours ago

So I asked the dev, he said he didn’t fully understand what the LLM did, he wasn’t familiar with reflection.

Big baffling facepalm moment.

If they would at least prefix the changeset description with that it'd be easier to interpret and assess.

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[–] melfie@lemy.lol 8 points 23 hours ago

A more appropriate line would be that Copilot can shit out code faster than you can pinch off your own loaf.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yes but all the code will be wrong and you will spend your entire day chasing stupid mistakes and hallucinations in the code. I'd rather just write the code myself thanks.

[–] slampisko@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah! I can make my own stupid mistakes and hallucinations, thank you very much!

[–] thejml@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Copilot keeps finishing my code for me in near real time... it completely disrupts my train of thought and my productivity dropped tremendously. I finally disabled it.

I LIKE writing code, stop trying to take the stuff away that I WANT to do and instead take away the stuff I HATE doing.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What I don't want AI to do:

  • write code for me
  • write fixes for me

What I want it to do:

  • find bugs and tell me about them (but still don't fix them)
[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

They do have ones that will review your prs. That's pretty neat

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

I wish I could get it to stop finishing comments for me. It’s like some jackass is trying to complete my sentence for me but gets it completely wrong every time and it breaks my train of thought.

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

I was finished with Windows before Microshit finished Copilot.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ooh, unemployment! How exciting! I love Microsoft now.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Seriously who the hell are they trying to sell this to?

Are they just that desperate to keep the hype train going?

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Business owners. People that don't want to spend money on annoying stuff like wages.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

CEOs are convinced that if they can get rid of those pesky expensive engineers that idea people will magically make things work.

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I can drink coffee pretty slow, but I don't think I can drink it that slow

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 53 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Copilot, turn on the gas stove without the pilot. Copilot, in 3 hours light the pilot.

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

If thats what they are aiming at, I feel like their AI is actually suppose to be the pilot and the user the copilot

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 4 points 23 hours ago

I read “users respond with mercyless trolling” in the teaser, I have to open the article.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

I would rather paint a portrait by myself, spending the time to do it, rather than asking some computer prompt to spit me out a picture. Same logic applies with coding for me.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

By the headline statement, that it should be complete and works 100%. Big doubt.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I had a bit of a breakthrough with some personal growth with my code today.

I learned a bit more about entity framework that my company is using for a project, and was able to create a database table, query it, add/delete/update, normal CRUD stuff.

I normally work mostly on front end code, so it was rewarding to learn a new skill and see the data all the way from the database to the UI and back - all my code. I felt great after doing a code review this afternoon to make sure I wasn’t missing anything, and we talked about some refactoring to make it better.

AI will never give you that.

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[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

In my experience, which consists of using copilot for about ten minutes, literally every single suggestion is wrong, and if you're not careful it'll insert the shitty code and then you have to go back and find out why the code isn't working.

I'd rather have Lizzo shum on my face than use copilot

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago

My problem is that the dev and stage environments are giving me 502 gateway errors when hitting only certain api endpoints from the app gateway. My real problem is devops aren't answering my support tickets and telling me which terraform var file I gotta muck with and tell me what to fix on it. I'm sure you'll be fixed soon though right copilot?

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 3 points 23 hours ago

Good thing finishing your coffee is many sips. Because Copilot certainly doesn't feel fast. It often feels so slow you wonder whether waiting is worth it.

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