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Japanese manga publishers have declared victory over Cloudflare in a long-running copyright infringement liability dispute. Kadokawa, Kodansha, Shueisha and Shogakukan say that Cloudflare's refusal to stop manga piracy sites, meant they were left with no other choice but to take legal action. The Tokyo District Court rendered its decision this morning, finding Cloudflare liable for damages after it failed to sufficiently prevent piracy.

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[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 36 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Copyright law is absolutely fucked in Japan.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 7 hours ago

Yeah there are many nice things about Japan but this and its whole court system are NOT one of them.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 13 points 8 hours ago

There are many many kinds of laws that are fucked in Japan. Court in general is a whole other cultural world from what I hear and however unfair courts are in the west, in Japan they are even less so.

[–] arararagi@ani.social 16 points 9 hours ago

The same country that prohibited console modding, you don't own shit over there.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 points 9 hours ago

So any provider is liable too if they don't block piracy sites? Cmon, be real.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 hours ago
[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 27 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

What are they going to do about it? Fine cloudflare? What happens when they don't pay the fines, lol? Put out a warrant? Ban them?

Lmao.

[–] __siru__@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Or they could potentially ban Cloudflare from having servers/property in Japan. Which considering the economic importance of Japan in the Asian sector, might actually be something Cloudflare would want to avoid.

[–] docus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I’m guessing Japan would also want to avoid that.

[–] arararagi@ani.social 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Cloudfare is not a monopoly, there are other providers.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

yeah, if Cloudflare decides to switch off service in japan, there being other providers isn't going to fix the economic damage that would happen.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Not to mention Cloudflare could potentially block all but important internet traffic to and from Japan, effectively removing Japan's access to a huge chunk of the internet.

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 hours ago

Do any of them implement blocking for piracy websites in the way that Japan wants?

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Corporation good when piracy

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

As opposed to Corporation Good when Japanese Black Company?

The manga industry has been walking towards a cliff for a while now and this disney-esque demands is just the tip of the iceberg.

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I just find it weird how big dog bullying the small dog becomes justified when we have a vendetta against the small dog.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

There are no big dogs or small dogs here, there is tolerant harmless dog being censored by corrupt pack of dogs. If anything, I think the companies responsible are actually going to lose profit by taking down piracy sites because less people are going to know about the products they sell.

My quarrel is with stupid decisions in general.

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social -2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Are you serious? You're the one who made the "cloudflare can strongarm the Japanese govt" comment. I can see that you feel strongly about the Japanese media industry but this is the exact cognitive dissonance I'm talking about.

I don't care what's good and what's bad. It's fucking weird to cheer an international megacorp to ignore the courts of a foreign country.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I care about what is good and what is bad. You should too, makes life better for everyone.

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I can't tell if I can't articulate what I mean well enough or if you're just reading it in bad faith so I'll reiterate for the last time.

I have not made a general statement about caring for good in life. I meant that for the question of whether it should be considered okay for megacorps to ignore court orders, what they're ignoring is irrelevant. Cheering them to do it for a good cause normalizes it for when they do it for bad, which is the majority of the time.

And it is especially off putting how comments like this are much more common when it's the courts of a non-western country that produced the bad ruling, as if they are less sovereign than an American company.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 31 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)

This "megacorp" is a telecoms giant that enables regular citizens to host domains across the world. When you pressure them, you're pressuring the greater community.