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Younger men threw their support behind Donald Trump in 2024 after favoring Biden in 2020

The United States is still not ready for a female president after more than a century of unsuccessful campaigns for the White House, according to former First Lady Michelle Obama.

“As we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain’t ready,” Obama said earlier this month in a live conversation with actor Tracee Ellis Ross that was published Friday.

“That’s why I’m like, don’t even look at me about running, because you all are lying,” she said. “You’re not ready for a woman. You are not. So don’t waste my time.”

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[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 days ago

I'd love for AOC to run. Tired of these geriatric out of touch assholes.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I mean, she's right.

I don't care if Hillary won the popular vote. That's not how presidential elections in our country work. You can stop talking about it, because it's a moot point.

We've run a woman twice now and lost twice. This country is a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and xenophobic trashcan.

Get the hint. Play the game to win.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (12 children)

This is a stupid take. Give the people a viable candidate that doesn't thank Dick Satan Chaney for his service and cheerfully announces the desire for the "most lethal military" when the voting base is expressing discontent with the governments support for an active genocide, and she'll win.

People didn't reject KH because she was a woman, they rejected her "centrist" campaign that was to the right of GWB's on several key issues. People didn't reject Hilary because she was a woman, they rejected her being forced on them instead of Bernie.

And both of them had the same attitude, that voters owe them their votes, simply because they're not Trump. People didn't reject women, then rejected the DNC.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Maybe the US will be mature enough to join the civilized world in a century or two.

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[–] Secret_Music@piefed.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a non-American looking in from the outside, from what I can gather in progressive online spaces, people are sick of career politicians in general that don't have any actual morals but are instead driven by marketing and advertising. This is a problem not just with the US Democrats but with the old guard in general worldwide.

That's part of why the door has been opened to right wing lunatics in the first place. Around 10 years ago, a lot of people thought Donald Trump was the "anti establishment" pick. As insane as that is to reasonably well educated people, simple people with shitty lives believed that this upstart really would "drain the swamp".

It's also part of why the career politicians aren't doing much to stop it either. They see the numbers on their marketing graphs, so they're evolving into another stage of parasite that can feed on the new generation.

There's no doubt in my mind that it would be a tougher battle for a woman than for a man in the USA. But also, they would stand a much better chance with someone like AOC than someone like Clinton or Obama or Harris. Because people are fucking sick of corporate undead ghouls whose sole purpose is to keep the Overton window in place.

I know that someone here is going to call AOC a sellout or something but come on, your anarchist socialist utopia is even further away now that the christo-fascists have undone so much progress. AOC is a thousand times better than almost anything else you've got right now.

You need more women with AOC and Jasmine Crockett energy, and less with Joe Biden energy. Someone to knock these christo-fascist clowns the fuck out on the mic and on social media, and to inspire people. Not someone that's going to go "oh well I tried nothing and now I give up" and fucking bore everyone to death.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

People are sick of career politicians because they were told to be. Advertising and marketing drive what people think, not the other way around. As a non-American or even an American you could easily miss the multiple reasons Trump was really elected.

It was never about draining the swamp as his primary backers of the Federalist and Heritage groups were about dismantling the government. Their plan was to greatly increase the power of the executive because they could not dismantle the government with its consent.

Only with a extremely strong executive branch could this be accomplished. The rhetoric and propaganda around how bad the government is in comparison to how good private business is has been going on strong for several decades. They have been priming people for this moment since before I was born.

This is not because the people wished for this, but because wealthy people stand to make more money and gather much more power without a well functioning government.

I agree with most of what you say but I think it's both. People are tired of voting and paying taxes when it all seems to just go towards paying rich and connected people bloated salaries to blatantly sleep in parliament in front of cameras. But the wealthy elites harnessed that and took advantage. And infected conspiracy theory circles and started putting so much bullshit out there that 'truth' seems to be optional these days.

I'm showing my tinfoil hat here but in my view this started happening some time after the Arab spring when powerful people shat themselves and realised how powerful social media could actually be.

Trump was totally packaged as a rebel and a renegade coming to change the system. Around 2015 I remember even 'progressive' minded people saying things like "he's a businessman, not one of these useless assholes, he'll get things done!" In South Africa, there was the same rhetoric surrounding Cyril Ramaphosa in the beginning.

I don't want to sound like self aggrandizing asshole here but I think that maybe people in general are even less smart than I thought. Because just before everyone started thinking that capitalist businessmen were going to save them, social media was all about Anonymous and Zeitgeist and how awesome socialism is and how much capitalism sucks. And seemingly overnight, while still looking for the same kind of change, they fell for a slimy capitalist swindler selling that change.

Honestly my sincere hope and probably the main thing keeping me going is that this all collapses under the weight of pedophiles and incompetent podcasters and news readers put into positions of power, and then the pendulum swings back and we get the change that we actually need.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"As we saw in the past election"

Yeah.... Not so sure it was because Hilary and Kamala were women

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[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Oh don't worry, I wasn't considering you in the first place, Michelle.

[–] frizzo@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

Was it just young men? I'd like you to have a look at male minority votes in general. Maybe run a woman candidate who can offer something positive to everyone, even if it's bullshit like Obama's Hope.

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