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Google: "Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn't verified. We are designing this flow specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren't tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer. It will also include clear warnings to ensure users fully understand the risks involved, but ultimately, it puts the choice in their hands."

Thank god. I would've ditched Android for good if this went through, and while it sounds like it would be annoying for casual users to enable unverified apps, at least we can still install them.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 307 points 1 week ago (30 children)

Good, but I still don't trust Google and I really want Linux (you know what I mean) on my next phone.

[–] Schuttwegraeumer@feddit.org 52 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Yes, Open Google free Android or a Linux without Google.

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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 196 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's always the same, big shocking announcement, public outcry, pushing forward with a less shocking version, public acceptance, and then rolling out the rest of the initial plan. Why do we keep falling for it?

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its like getting robbed at gunpoint. Not much you can do about it.

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Give a fascist an inch...

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 91 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Users only need to eat half of a shit sandwich!

This is less terrible news, not good news.

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[–] RacerX@lemmy.zip 84 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Straight from the playbook. Announce something terrible, then back off with something bad. Everyone calls it a win.

See: Wizards if the Coast, Unity

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[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 83 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Don't consider this a win, guys, this is more of an 'Oh shit, we're screwed if we follow through with this right now' moment, there's nothing stopping them from walking this back at a later, less turbulent date when no one's paying attention, and locking Android down anyways, as this directly reminds me of the situation which caused WEI to be scrapped.

Also, the EU pushing Chat Control through the back door might embolden Google to both try an Android lockdown just like was going to roll out before, and try WEI again, and get both actually pushed through somehow.

I wouldn't even be surprised if MS were emboldened to try to lock down PCs... Again....

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

Google: "Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn't verified.

And we will NEVER trust you again because we know you'll retry this next year or so in a few smaller steps that all have cutesy innocent names that are supposed to lull us in a false sense of security

Fuck Google, stop paying them for anything, stop using their services wherever possible.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 69 points 1 week ago (9 children)

That's not good enough. They're just going to keep lightly pushing against the bad publicity until everything not controlled by Google on your phone goes away.

We need an alternative made without googles shitty hands in the mix. This forced duopoly between Apple and Google sucks. No phone competition in the US also sucks. Overpriced Samsung or a Google phone, while companies Like Red Magic have fan and liquid cooled phones with huge batteries, more ram, and more storage, for less than a grand being sold around the rest of the world outside the US.

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[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago (5 children)

… continues to make Play Integrity an integral part of Android and making all the stupid banking and govt apps requiring having it on your phone thus making it harder to de-google.

still no… fuck you.

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[–] dorumon@lemmy.cafe 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

So I just read what they are going to do and this article is just clickbait. Basically they still want you to dox yourself but it'll still work like iOS Test Pilot. Google is still full of shit and lies but hey at least you don't have to pay them money until enough users download your app if you want more.

So it'll basically still kill apps like F-Droid or you downloading an app from the internet to run on your phone. You'll basically have to signup to install third party apps on your device per app in general and alot of the convenience and developer community will still just leave android as a whole.

All in all really bad decision on Google's part while also extending this to things like fireOS or whatever the fuck the Quest 2 and 3 will run as a skin of android. This will make sure they would be forever stuck on older versions of android; lest they have to contend with the new upcoming android features that will enforce this that will be baked into the operating system next year. Even without Google Play Services like I read.

Personally I don't think developers should have to sign up to Google and provide ID cards to basically have a limited amount of users use their specific app outside the app store.

Google obviously is feeling threatened by better apps that more people are using on platforms like F-Droid compared the outright subscription based shitware and adware on the playstore. Which is why they are doing this. But like platforms before like inturn Symbian. I personally think it'll fuck them over so hard that'll they'll never recover while China or whomever else makes a new platform for you to run android apps on for a time before going all proprietary fucked up Linux. Just like Android again.

[–] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You'll basically have to signup to install third party apps on your device per app in general and alot of the convenience and developer community will still just leave android as a whole.

Leave android and go where?

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Incentivizes developing for linux phones, ppl choose android for the freedom

Who do we donate to?

[–] Pirate@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If android goes the way it’s going, then iPhone is the obvious choice.

[–] Mistic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not really an option considering it's even more locked down.

Hope Valve comes up with something eventually, after all they've been getting into x86 emulation for mobile ARM chips lately. Granted, it was for VR, but still.

[–] Pirate@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Hope Valve comes up with something eventually

That could be interesting. I want to see how SteamOS goes, but the potential is grand.

In terms of the iPhone being locked down, I’m not sure what you’re looking to do but I personally managed to get ad-free Reddit, YouTube and YouTube music ad-free (+sponsorblock) just using apps from the App Store. All of them free or one-time payment of 3 euros. It was actually easier to do than with Android where I had to “sideload” stuff from GitHub since Android is owned by google and all frontends to their programs are banned.

As long as you get yourself an email that isn’t iCloud you can also take all your contacts and email with you wherever you want. Then you can install KDE Connect as you would on Android and can send files freely between you phone and Pc.

This is all to say, I don’t feel more locked down on the iPhone than on Android, which was a surprise for me.

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (4 children)

For now. You just wait. Evil corp is gonna evil corp it all up.

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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No freaking way this was because of "feedback". This was because the European Commission will keep escalating their fines if Google keeps at it with the monopoly bullshit.

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Google: “Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn’t verified.

I've been side loading apks since I bought my first Android phones and am much more concerned about malware "safe" apps from Google's Play store. Google's quality control is shit.

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[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (10 children)

$100 says they're just going to make it require adb.

[–] popcar2@programming.dev 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm guessing they're going to hide it in developer tools with a bunch of warnings and no explanation on how to get there so regular users don't turn it on by accident.

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Easing is not removing.

Anything more than a warning and disclaimer popup is too much.

[–] HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Uh-huh, sure, just about protecting the users. Nevermind that actual malware is regularly found on play store, and exactly 0 times -- on f-droid they're "protecting" the users from.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They are going to make this into a "1 step back 2 steps forward" type of situation. This is that 1 step back and in a few months there will be 2 steps forward where they will completely ban all non play store apps.

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Easing up? Don't fucking touch it. Google is already annoying me with their play protect warnings.

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