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I saw that a post was made in !main@sh.itjust.works about defederation about a month ago, an admin commented to make a post here to discuss defederation, but the post was never made.

https://maga.place/ is very obviously a small community with no real substance to it, but I saw an antivax post to !science_memes@mander.xyz and was surprised it still exists.

Anyways I don't really have a lot to say but uh, I recently hit a full year on this great instance ๐Ÿ˜Š (old account @TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works)

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[โ€“] goat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely get rid of the fascists

[โ€“] SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No.

I'm fine with staying federated, until it either breaks the law, threatens the instance, or maga.place users start brigading or whatever.

Whatever is decided, I blocked the instance for myself.

[โ€“] drascus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay I had to think on this one a while. It seems like their community is microscopic. There really is barely anything there. The stuff that is there isn't even really offensive or objectionable just conservative. I do get what people are saying that we need to fight facism everywhere but I tend to err on the side of more speech unless I see evidence of harm coming from a community so I will vote nay but I also don't think there is going to be any loss if people to vote to ban it as there is nearly no posts on there or discussions.

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[โ€“] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I say no, just like college, the point is to expose yourself to the enemy, learn what they say, or otherwise you're just existing in a bubble

[โ€“] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The left is becoming convinced that anything less than a bubble is a "nazi bar".

I grew up in a conservative home and I saw the left bubble from the outside. If it weren't for that I'm sure I would have moved left earlier because honestly socialism is much more in line with my beliefs than the hyperindividualism, greed, consumption, and learned psychopathy of neoliberalism.

Some people willing to engage with me would have been nice. I try to be that person now.

Personally I think that we deserve the respect to make our own decisions on this issue. Defederation should be reserved for situations where actual laws are broken that would jeopardize the existence of this instance or even Lemmy as a whole.

As a former mod on a larger subreddit and then a mod on a decent lemmy community, and now a sad mod trying to pick up the pieces (RIP lemm.ee), I've seen how hate can be pervasive in most every sphere. If we start locking things down because we want a hate free Internet, well... We won't have much of an Internet anymore.

My modding style was always the "let 'em cook" method. Unless doxxing, impersonation of a mod, spam, bots, and the like are happening, the community would dogpile the user, and frankly as a bystander seeing coherent arguments against hate was more convincing than just censoring it all together.

[โ€“] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Have they violated any of SJW's rules ^[1]^?

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[โ€“] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I voted no. I strongly disagree with maga fucks, but I also don't want an echo chamber. Discussion and debate benefit from disagreement.

[โ€“] Banana@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There are far more moderate views on here that keep it from being an echo chamber that we don't need to include nazis

I think its reasonable for me and those i care about to not want to be pressured to debate the morality of our existence in every space, and that is exactly what they want to debate, and for them it's fun because it does not affect them, but for us it just means another fuckin place that is not safe. It's not easy to ignore them, and they make sure of that, and tolerating them just enables them to take over spaces.

There are enough liberals (read: centrists) in here that this is a controversial discussion, thats reason enough for me to believe defederating won't cause this to be an echo chamber.

[โ€“] Shihali@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago

I think we should be wary and keep them on a short leash, but I don't see them causing enough trouble here in October 2025 to defederate. If I'd wanted a safe space I would have gone to Beehaw.

[โ€“] rando@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I believe in an open internet so my vote is no

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[โ€“] lurch@sh.itjust.works -4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

as long as they're small and not annoying, it's better to keep them, so ppl can influence them

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[โ€“] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works -5 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Users can defederate from instances. Just use the tools you already have.

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