Second amendment people....... wheeeeeere arrrre youuuuuuu?
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Their mouth is full
In fairness to them, a lot of guntube, gunsexual youtubers, are clinically dissecting every aspect of Charlie Kirk's assasination.
Long story short: Tyler Robinson is almost certainly a patsy, there was almost certainly a shooter up and to Kirk's right, from nearly 90 degrees, thats where the shot came from, it is physically impossible that the damage seen, and reported in the autopsy, was caused by a 30.06 from almost straight in front of him.
Almost every single detail about the scenario as presented by the FBI is completely impossible to make work all together.
A lot of guntube is very, very pissed about this, they know the administration is blatantly and obviously lying to them and everyone.
And no, I am not going to bother arguing the validity of this with any more idiots who know nothing about firearms, these guntubers are correct, I am just pointing out that... there is actually some motion there, from the 2A crowd.
Got links?
Sure!
You'd probably have to watch more than one vid from this guy's channel at this point to... get the whole picture, but here we go:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zTbaj8DNE3I
Thats him going into the autopsy, and how the described wounds and injuries are just impossible from a straight on 30.06 shot.
He has another video debunking two common but impossible theories, one being that Kirk was wearing body armor and the shot some how deflected 90 degrees (he was not wearing body armor), another one that ... apparently some people were saying his lapel mic exploded or was a gun itself, also bullshit...
He goes through a bunch of stuff.
He is also apparently personally going to various places to document No Kings, ICE protests... I have not watched those videos... but it should be pretty obvious that this dude is your actual stereotypical angry Republican with a Gun...
And in this video, at least the first couple minutes...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HRs138gtWV0
He says something like 'No wonder everyone is pissed when all but maybe 3 of your politicians are comprised by Mossad', which is a bit hyperbolic, but not really wrong, hooray AIPAC, and also ... seemingly genuinely, shouts 'Release the Epstein Files!' while marching with the No Kings rally, not being antagonistic to anyone there.
So... yeah. At least some of the '2A' crowd is indeed getting fed up with Trump/MAGA's bullshit.
But I've really only watched his specifically related to the Kirk assasination videos, so, I have no clue what the totality of his politics are.
But but... this is just one guy, and there are a good deal more than just a single "ex-sf gunbro guntuber dude with shades on in his truck twitter profile image" type person who is on youtube, making videos going into how the FBI's Kirk assasination story makes no fucking sense, and who are quite pissed about how obvious these lies are.
I'm way too lazy to watch, but did he cover a low charge bullet and/or dirty barrel? I don't know about rifles, but an uncleaned handgun can throw a bullet sideways and all sorts of weird shit.
I'm a big fan of simple explanations. Which is it was the kid and something weird happened.
"Puts on conspiracy hat" The next option would be a foreign actor (Russia or Israel probably) pulled off a crazy complicated operation to show trump they could get to his friends. But it's extremely unlikely there was no evidence of the kid being manipulated and "helped". Unless the FBI is covering it up, but then why wouldn't they also fudge the other evidence?
"Down the rabbit hole" If you go full tinfoil hat, assume Trump's ear shooting was a setup by him for votes. (There's a lot of goofy shit in those videos) Then him and Kirk decide to do it, to get Kirk national recognition and set him up as Trump's successor. But the bullet misses, shit happens, instead of just hitting his shoulder or whatever; bam dead Kirk.
I still find one the simplest explanation, but who knows
He has other videos where he goes into at least some detail about:
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the idea of an underpowered rifle round
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the idea of a nearby shooter with a handgun
Basically, uh, neither of those make sense with the publically availablr evidence, and also, neither of those are part of the FBI's story.
Here's your simple explanation:
We have the autopsy report now.
The bullet entered Charlie's neck from the right side, around the jawline / neck / under the ear, did damage as it moved laterally left and vertically down to a number of his neck vertebrae, kept travelling through down to about his left clavicle, severed his corotid on the left side, bullet remained lodged in the shoulder bone after travelling a bit further past/through the corotid.
The FBI story is a 30.06 round from basically dead center in front of him, elevated, hit him in the left neck, and then... made no exit wound, and also remained lodged in his shoulder.
This is completely impossible, a 30.06 will blow apart a moose's femur at the range Robinson supposedly was shooting from.
That would have resulted in a chunk of Kirk's neck the size of about a large orange being wholly blown off/apart, he would have been half decapitated, the entire backdrop of the whitr tent behind him would have been covered in viscera and blood.
What entirely does make sense is that it was instead a 5.56 out of some kind of AR-15, from on the roof of the building to Kirk's right.
Kirk was not shot from the front.
The gushing neck wound we saw was basically almost an exit wound: the bullet broke the skin from already being inside of Kirk, but managed to not itself exit his body at that point, instead, getting lodged into his shoulder, actually almost exiting it again from within the shoulder, but not quite managing to.
The gushing neck wound was not an entry wound.
As to ... what actors actually did this?
Well, the FBI is obviously covering this up. There are many, many, maaaany aspects of what they are saying that are either obviously false or inherently contradictory with other things they are saying or other existing evidence, there's too much for me to try and recap here... stop being lazy and watch some of this guy's vids would be my suggestion, lol.
The entire FBI 'investigation' is a giant mess of fuckups, so... yeah, they don't even care to pretend they even need to follow any actual rules, you know just generally.
They obviously faked an incriminating 'love letter' text exchange between Robinson and his... roommate/lover.
Like, its laughably obvious as a fake.
You are apparently positing some kind of outside help or planning or encouragement/grooming for Robinson... there's no evidence for that that I am aware of, not even purported evidence, from anyone.
Please remember the FBI has been purged by Kash Patel of all non MAGA diehard loyal personnel, and that Kash Patel is literally a former conspiracy theorist podcaster who is stonewalling the release of the Epstein files, go look at him having screaming matches in recent Congressional hearings.
Remember these same people telling us they gave us an unedited, raw video from Epstein's cell block... and it was immediately apparent that was not true?
As to it being Russia or Israel, uh, well, whole lot more evidence poitning toward Israel.
Kirk was feuding with Israeli donors not long before this occured, and he snubbed them, said he wouldn't take their money anymore, couldn't keep supporting them as vehemently.
There are records of these conversations, a lot of the right wing media sphere has been arguing over them.
Then, ... before anyone prominent had actually accused Israel of killing Kirk... Netanyahu himself issued a statement denying that Israel had killed Kirk.
So... that's kinda weird.
Nobody knows the identity of the shooter on the building to Kirk's right... but he's been captured in video from the event, so... yeah.
The Trump ear shooting isn't weird if you know how guns and bullets work, but almost no liberals or leftists do.
That shot was an actual lucky fucking break for Trump, an extremely light graze... and other riunds from that shooter killed and wounded other people in that crowd, behind Trump.
Bullets spin very, very rapidly.
They are also topologically rough, at a small scale.
Basically, imagine a spinning drill bit, or cylindrical rod with sandpaper wrapped around it.
Now, trace the length dimesion of the bit/cylinder as the bullet trajectory.
Now, have that graze along the top of the helix of the ear, maybe digging a mm or less into the actual skin/flesh of the ear.
Superficial wound, but in an area of the body eith a very high concentration of capillaries and thin skin = rapid onset of fairly profuse bleeding.
It also does not = a chunk of Trump's ear getting blown off and then magically regrowing, which is apparently what a bunch of people seem to think happened?
That, to me, is a conspiracy theory, given that... a light graze causing bleeding... is... extremely simple and straightforward... but only if you know more about firearms and gun wounds than what Hollywood and videogames 'teach' you.
We don't need to go tinfoil hat with that one, we need to realize the current head of the FBI is a tinfoil hat incompetent MAGA nutjob shock jock, thats who's in charge of investigating Kirk.
The goofy shit around Trump's near ear piercing wss how the whole event was cobbled together very rapidly, and security from the Secret Service and local police were confused, uncoordinated and ineffective, which ... yeah, that's some bullshit, but it's a way lower tier of bullshit than the obvious coverup the new FBI is conducting under Patel.
Again like... Patel's whole thing was screaming for the Epstein files to be released on his podcast, prior to becoming head of the FBI, which he has literally less than 0 qualifications for.
Then Trump gets elected, now he reads those files and goes 'oh fuck, my boss is a major pedophile, my whole thing was that only Dems are pedophiles, fuck fuck fuck' and then begins nakedly lying his ass off about that.
Patel is a Q Anon nutter.
Thats... thats our head of the FBI.
Please stop giving investigative deference to the organization, it isn't due any anymore.
The implication is that the rifle found was a plant, and the guy's admission of guilt is false. It's not even like they leaned on him in the interrogation room. He just went to them.
That seems a bit of a stretch on its face. Much more so than assuming the bullet did something that can't be immediately explained.
Inagine being this dense.
Getting their ball gowns ready
Drinking
getting fuckin' ripped on booze and probably smokng meth
Fascist regimes eventually come for the guns
Fascist regimes always come for guns. Governments that come for guns are not always fascist
A implies b, but b does not imply a.
Is your assertion that this is not a fascist regime? Otherwise you simply repeated what I said in the first sentence.
No, my assertion is that a government coming for your guns is not the reason it's fascist
That's fine, I agree, but that's not what I said
Oh, sorry I wasn't trying to imply it was. Just adding to your statement.
Isn't Trump a gun owning felon?
Let us know as soon as you find a LEO and a judge who will enforce that.
I'd love to send trump into low earth orbit but what's the plan exactly ?
He seems like a real milquetoast kinda bitch. I wonder if he's ever fired a gun.
I'd really love to know how the maga crowd feel about that, it's a question I've had for quite a while.
Trump literally said last time he was President take the guns first, due process second. maga crowd still gargling.
Marijuana isn't a narcotic fucking morons.
Uh... It is by either definition of the word "narcotic."
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A substance that affects mood and is taken recreationally; often illegal.
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a drug that relieves pain or induces sleepiness.
Marijuana fits both. But so is alcohol.
Tylenol is known to improve depression symptoms. Fits both too. QED, narcotic.
https://news.osu.edu/your-pain-reliever-may-also-be-diminishing-your-joy/
Generally, yes, sure, but for most purposes the term narcotics is used for opiate or opioid drugs.
Dictionaries. What the hell does it know? It's merely a reference. ;-)
"The pirate's code is more of a set of guidelines than actual rules."
As per the DEA, "Marijuana is a Schedule I drug with no accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse."
According to federal law it is.
To be fair though: That isn't what defines a narcotic. It also is a bullshit classification since marijuana does have acceped medicinal uses.
In this case, the definition of a narcotic is in the eye of the lawmaker. In 1970 Nixon said cannabis was one of the worst drugs and got it placed among Schedule 1 drugs. Somehow it has remained that way for 55 years.
I totally agree cannabis and some other so called "drugs" have medicinal uses.
In normal times this would never come up but these are not normal times.
Trusting the feds, with anything, now, are we?
The 4473 specifically mentions that Marijuana use in states where it's legalized prohibit the purchasing of a firearm.
Whatever it is, it's not going to stop anyone from getting a gun that wants one, it just demonizes marijuana users so it's fucking stupid. If they were serious about gun safety there are dozens of other measures they could put into place first.
It's more about letting someone know they're breaking the law if they buy it. It's also something that can be added onto charges if they commit a crime with the gun. Lying on the 4473 is a crime.
I did once have someone try to buy a gun using a medical Marijuana card as ID because their driver's license was expired.
They can have my gun, but it comes with bullets.
While cool of you to say, realistically the most pro 2A amendement nutjobs are awfully quiet with the US descent into fascism since said nutjobs likely voted for the Nazi. This is leopard eating my face
Never threaten.
Even if you have the ability to defend yourself against a bully that is motivated by piss and vinegar, that doesn't mean you want a target on your back or for them to see you coming.
My guess is that many of the people who are willing to resist kinetically aren't going to say anything or threaten anyone.
One day, a thug kicks down the wrong door and punches his own ticket. The next day the paranoia grips the jackboots and they start passing gun laws in a hurry.
Lots of cold dead hands after that and no one is willing to volunteer to be first in line to kick off that process.
Historically, this is why police come after you while you're in a car, at work, or otherwise out and about. I'm curious whether, if it ever came to that point, a court would approve seizure* of any records at gun ranges or otherwise to gather data on people who might have guns (being very specific with that 'might have' wording), and then issue warrants to seize said people on the street, and then issue search warrants for the home. It would be a pretty wild reversal of evidence and probable cause. The politicians and cops would try to sell it to the maga fools as being the only way to keep cops safe from antifa terrorists, and I'd bet they would buy it.
That (judges signing off on such wild bullshit) would be so far into fascist territory that we might as well be at the bottom of fascism lake.
*This would probably be a grand jury subpoena, which both has lower evidence needs and relies on the reasoning that your transactions/records with a business are not as private as other areas of your life. Cops give these to DAs all the time to gather evidence on a case without the need to go to a judge, so blaming the courts here might be too hasty.
I'm not a pro2A nut job, I'm a stoner that owns firearms and won't be willing to give them up without a fight. I don't mean it as a threat, just a statement of fact. If the state comes to take my guns, without a REALLY good reason, that seems like the point where I start fighting back, damn my job, damn my house.
Just... saying this here, mate, but if that's the case, unless your opsec is so tight that the nsa wouldn't know if you're trump himself posting for funsies, you probably shouldn't state that out loud. That is literally what the other fella that replied to you meant when he said 'threat.'
I mean, I would have to scrub my entire Internet history for that to make any difference. Look at Platner and Palantir, I have posted about owning guns, smoking weed, and my mental health for years. That cow is out to pasture. If there's a list, I'm on it. I rely on being a small drop in a large sea of gun owners that have posted similar shit way louder with their name proudly displayed above it.
Oh a dictator that wants to disarm the population? Tell me more.
Not like there a whole liberal tech community that could do some 3d printing...
I think the 'why' is pretty obvious. They don't need the blowback when attacking their own citizens for cash and prizes.
So rare!