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[–] MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I'm part of the problem. I now use Le Chat instead of search engines because AI destroyed search engines, thanks to all the content mills that make slop. I wish search engines just worked, and it's a classic example of capitalism creating problems to justify new technology.

And I wonder if it's just AI. I know some people moved to backing up pre-2025 versions of Wikipedia via Kiwix out of fear that the site gets censored. I know now that I've done that, it's a no-brainer to just do my Wikipedia research without using bandwidth.

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[–] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I am kinda a big hater on AI and what danger it represents to the future of humanity

But. as a hobby programmer, I was surprised at how good these llms can answer very technical questions and provide conceptual insight and suggestions about how to glue different pieces of software together and which are the limitations of each one. I know that if AI knows about this stuff it must have been produced by a human. but considering the shitty state of the internet where copycat website are competing to outrank each other with garbage blocks of text that never answer what you are looking for. the honest blog post is instead burried at the 99 page in google search. I can't see how old school search will win over.

Add to that I have found forums and platforms like stack overflow to be not always very helpful, I have many unanswered questions on stackoverflow piled-up over many years ago. things that llms can answer in details in just seconds without ever being annoyed at me or passing passive aggressive comments.

[–] godrik@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hobby programmer her as well. I know you I've spent a lot of time searching for solutions or hints for, especially when it's about edge cases. So using AI as an alt. to a search engine have saved me sooo much time!

Another thing with the approach. I read somewhere that it require about 10 times as much energy to ask an AI instead of doing a web search and spending a little time looking through the result. So it's something I try to think of to motivate myself with, to do as many usual web searches as possible, saving AI queries for when it matters more.

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This will be unpopular, but hear me out. Maybe the decline in visitors is only a decline in the folks who are simply looking for a specific word or name and the forgot. Like, that one guy who believed in the survival of the fittest. Um. Let me try to remember. I think he had an epic beard. Ah! Darwin! I just needed a reminder, I didn't want to read the entire article on him because I did that years ago.

Look at your own behaviors on lemmy. How often do you click/tap through to the complete article? What if it's just a headline? What if it's the whole article pasted into the body of the post? Click bait headlines are almost universally hated, but it's a desperate attempt to drive traffic to the site. Sometimes all you need is the article synopsis. Soccer team A beats team B in overtime. Great, that's all I need to know..unless I have a fantasy team.

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Half my visits to Wikipedia are because I need to copy and paste a Unicode character and that’s always the highest search result with a page I can easily copy and paste the exact character from.

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[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

If you don't check their name - Darwin - on Wikipedia, where do you check it? A random AI? When you're on Facebook, their AI? When you're on Reddit, their AI? How trustworthy are they? What does that mean for general user behavior in the short and long term?

When you're satisfied with a soccer match score from a headline, fair enough. Which headline do you refer to, though? Who provides it? Who ensures it is correct?

Wikipedia is an established and good source for many things.

The point is that people get their information elsewhere now. Where it may be incomplete, wrong, or maliciously misrepresenting or lying. Where discovering more related information is even further away. Instead of the next paragraph or a scroll or index nav list jump away, no hyperlink, no information.

Personally, I regularly explore and verify sources.

I doubt most of those visits to Wikipedia were as shallow as finding just one name or term. Maybe one piece of information. Which may already go deeper than shallow term finding, and cross references and notes may spark interests or relevant concerns.

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[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Every time someone visits Wikipedia they make exactly $0. In fact, it costs them money. Are people still contributing and/or donating? These seem like more important questions to me.

[–] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are indirect benefits to visitors, though. Yes, most people are a drain on resources because they visit strictly to read and never to contribute. The minority that do contribute, though, are presumably people who used Wikipedia and liked it, or people who enjoy knowing that other people are benefiting from their contributions. I'm not sure people will donate or edit on Wikipedia if they believe no one is using it.

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[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd make a cash donation right now if I could.

[–] vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

I got you fam. I’ve been making a decent monthly donation for years. Consider one of those on your behalf!

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

yeah, i drop a $20-25 donation yearly.

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It used to be that the first result to a lot of queries, was a link to the relevant Wikipedia article. But that first result has now been replaced by an ai summary of the relevant Wikipedia article. If people don't need more info than that summary, they don't click through. That Ai summary is a layer of abstraction that wouldn't be able to exist without the source material that it's now making less viable to exist. Kinda like a parasite.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It's a layer of dependency and a barrier to entry. AI is not a servant to our interests but censor, preacher and teacher and cult speaker who works for psychopaths who would happily re-enslave the human race.

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Surly it can't be because of the decline in quality because of deposit admins defending their own personal fiefdoms.

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