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We have tried a two state solution for more than half a century, it doesn't seem to work.
What about a single state solution, lead by a government representing both jews and muslims?
As you may realize, I am not a diplomat nor a politician, I am just an IT guy who don't know shit.
We have tried a two state solution for more than half a century
No. small bits of it were tried for very short amounts of time-- but there was never a state for Palestine that was free of Israeli dominance and was self determining. Israel itself fought the secular Fatah government that the Palestinians briefly set up for themselves and created and funded Hamas (at great cost) to overthrow Fatah and create exactly the situation we are in now. Fatah was explicitely secular by the way. Israel insisted that Hamas be created to be religious.
Theres just no way to make any sort of peace with hardcore supremecists. And Israelis are supremacists. At their very core they dont want peace, they want the dominance they see is their due, which is stated in a even moderately conservative reading of their religious books-- that non-jewish souls are fundamentally different and lesser than jewish ones-- regular humans souls can never be equal to jews-- we are closer to animals, and many of us are simply incapable of being "good". (do we need quotes for that? Say the word) So of course they feel no need to be honest in their dealings with lesser beings. And their books also outline that they should have a seperate set of moralities for dealing with jews and nonjews. Its trivially easy to read their books as an entire religious philosophy based on 'rules for thee and not for me'.
If you were a black skinned family and had a KKK chapter house move literally in your back yard and claim the land for their own, what would you do? Appeal to their sense of common humanity? Share the land that was yours? Try to appeal to the more moderate KKK voices? Not "slander" the good name of the KKK since only 90% of them are openly advocating for violence, rather than 100%? Cant judge an entire people on what just 90% of them say, eh? How unfair that would be! They might just be good people who happen to live in a KKK house!
This is their claim on the land of that region, and the reason they feel they can kill every lesser being on it. “To your descendants have I given this Land from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates River.” (Genesis 15:18)
They will cheerfully destroy the world seeking to assert their "right" from the book they wrote.
March the UN in and take control of both sides. Extinguish both governments. Set up a deadline of 4 years to hold a single state election and state constitution. If not completed then they have to try again every four years.
Massive rebuilding projects funded by the UN but paying locals for the labor.
Establish modern healthcare for all.
Establish required education for all that requires 1 year abroad.
Remove all physical barriers.
Religious violence carries extra penalties.
Basically give them everything they need to figure it out and a common goal of seeking independence from the UN.
Whenever a country is surrounded by enemies, they have only two choices, conquer them, or be conquered. There are no other alternatives, maybe delays to the eventual outcome, it has to go one way or the other. Everything else is just delaying the ending.
My solution is to break out the popcorn, sit back and watch the comments fly.
all countries should drop support for both sides and condemn them both for their extremist actions. neither side is in the right here and the only solution (without pulling a Vietnam and Korea) is to stop enabling them
