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This is the problem with the "we're not talking about politics in here" approach. A lot of smaller companies, entities, "influencers"... will attempt to become apolitical, a ploy to market to as many people as possible, but it's ill advised. You have to make your beliefs actually clear from the start. And after a certain size, you must avoid becoming too personal about things. Get a PR specialist if you can, even. It'll save a lot of headache to kearn you can't please everybody, and there'll always be someone dissatisfied with you, so you better choose early who they'll be.

I don't use Hyprland (honestly it's still a buggy mess and the $5 a month for "hyprland premium" is a joke), I won't ever use Omarchy (I already know how to install Arch), and I guess I just won't use Framework anymore. That's it.

If other people want to use that crap and support it? sure, have at it. I won't lose sleep over it. I would much rather people stop hailing these things as the greatest achievements in FOSS and Linux when they're clearly not. I mean christ on a cracker people are treating Omarchy like it's the second coming and it's just an Arch installer with hyprland, a bunch of cherry picked applications and a fancy TUI styler. that's it.

Oh wait, sorry, Omarchy also has a hyrpland keybind set to open X/Twitter for you....groundbreaking.

Ugh I hate reading threads like that, the amount of delusion, stupidity and ignorance really gives me no hope for humanity.

Just vile people, fuck off fascists.

This is unfortunate for sure. I want to give them a few days to respond for real, it's always possible they just didn't know about the issues here, but even in that thread they're brushing it off as though it doesn't matter. I'm not really sure what they get out of donating to these projects other than potential PR, anyway.

On a personal level I've recommended their laptops to people who have later bought them, and I was even looking at buying one myself to replace my aging macbook, but I don't think I can do that anymore while this is unaddressed.

Just saw this on Mastodon. They locked the thread in question... that's very disheartening. Terrible really. These people are either ignorant or complicit. Perhaps both. In any case, let's spread the word and drive them out of business.

I remember the scandal around hyprland and it was pretty bad - much worse than one or two fascists contributing.

Even so I could forgive distros still having hyprland in their repos.

But giving money to the project itself? No.

Where are we with hyprland these days? How has the shitshow continued sice 2023?

Oh and btw, in what capacity is Framework supporting hyprland? Is there a Framework distro?

I have a fw13 and was waiting to get a fw12. I don't think I can continue to support fw if they're fine with conducting business with far right extremists.

I'm posting my take here before reading any comments, but I will be looking for validation or good counter arguments:

This feels like Framework admitting that the opensource community is too small to exclude anyone, or maybe that they feel they can't exclude anyone because doing so would damage their ability to do business? I'm not picking up a "we love nazis" vibe, I'm picking up a "nazis are fucking everywhere, what do you want us to do, for fucks sake" vibe.

I don't know how I feel about that yet.

Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob? Just because something is well known to you doesn't make it well known to everyone. If there are no alternatives with the feature set you are looking for, then sometimes you even have to overlook questionable authors, sort of like Lemmy. If it's open source and has a license that allows forks, it doesn't matter that much.

You use open source because of functionality. It didn't used to be too long ago when people bothered to prove other people wrong through example instead of persecution. If you never convince people they are wrong, you just favor them creating and being in as much of an echo chamber as yourself. Even when they can't be convinced, there are other people listening to the conversation.

We support open source software (and hardware), and partner with developers and maintainers across the ecosystem. We deliberately create a big tent, because we want open source software to win. We don’t partner based on individuals’ or organizations’ beliefs, values, or political stances outside of their alignment with us on increasing the adoption of open source software.

Even just from looking at it from a practical standpoint, it would sink just about any company if they have to go full FBI investigation for every single member. If you agree with OP so much, then why do you not agree with OP?

perhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:

Some people want to watch the world burn bridges.

Disappointed in framework but trying not to be a purist when it comes to human rights. Right to repair is a human right too and framework is doing good work on that front. I think they’ll realize their mistakes as the figures they let into their “big tent” keep showing their true colors.

I am appreciating many of the replies pillorying the "big tent" response, but what an obvious non-answer to a very real problem. It all smacks of Framework being cool with giving money to far-right provocateurs, and a well off shitheel at that.

I work for a fascist. He's my father. Fox is on his TV in his office beside mine right now. I suppose most would hate me if they knew that without knowing I cancel his vote out every time.

This might be a similar kind of situation.