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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] mutaphysis@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Snow's father David began to advocate for a ban on lawn darts, claiming that there was no way to keep children from accessing lawn darts short of a full ban

If only somebody would see it the same with guns…

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Plenty of people see it that way, unfortunately the NRA has been funded by those who think of it as a net positive every time one American kills another with a gun, and they've used that money to drum up fear in our most vulnerable and weak-minded citizens, the conservatives.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Nearly 2000 years of tradition, cut down by philistines!

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Lol, beat me to it!

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Standard issue scissor holster?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Medicus!

With all seriousness, I'm not sure if that's something kept for the re-enactor's convenience or if it is actually meant to represent something historical.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I legit did not know this was a thing. Thanks!

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

How would they throw the darts? Like I threw lawn darts as a kid, trying to get them as high as possible in a parabola, or would they throw them shuriken style, right at the charging hordes?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Questions like that are often hotly debated in experimental archeology! My thinking is high, in a parabola, as they were meant as harassing weapons, but as far as I know there's no consensus.

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago

I mean, they are versatile, so they probably had different tactics that suited various engagements.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 5 points 2 years ago

You throw them in a straight line at short range, mostly at the horses of cavalry charging at you.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We don't have a clear answer on this. There was a video I saw once that you might be able to find on YouTube still where a guy experimented with them and tried different methods. Frankly didn't really solve the question for me. They all seem somewhat viable. Underhand straightforward seem to work all right. Kind of overhand like a javelin sort of worked although maybe not the best. They also tried kind of loping overhand so it came down on top of the target sort of like you're implying. Considering the weight of them I think that might make the most sense.

[–] Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago

It's JARTS! Used for their true purpose

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I thought the javelin was Greek and the pilum was Roman. I don't see how these could actually replace a javelin or pilum since part of the point was to use the weight to force the enemy to drop their shield. I'm no historian, though.

Edit: autocorrect

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

Cost savings measure. In addition to being heavy for the troops to carry, it was expensive to make.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Javelin is a generic term, pilum is a term for a specific kind of Roman javelin. The replacement is in that Roman soldiers started carrying these darts instead of pila - while pila were more general-purpose and heavy-duty weapons, these light plumbata were much more of a harassing tool that a soldier could carry more of.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've never seen any evidence that said they replaced the javelin. More of a supplement or alternative.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Replaced in the sense that the plumbata became the widespread standard, not replaced in the sense that javelins were no longer used by any legionaries.