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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And DS9 is the conservative one with all the religion and the baseball and the war crimes and stuff.

TNG was run by a Frenchman who thought allowing bronze age species to believe in God was a barbaric act and went to bat as a human rights lawyer for an android who in turn let his first child pick their gender at will. All that while his polyamorous first officer was busy arguing against conversion therapy when pushed upon his trans nonbinary partner.

[–] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Uh... He wasn't against allowing anyone to believe in a god of gods. He only took issue with people worshipping "The Picard" and Ardra scamming.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He gave a speech about how they had moved past religion and he wasn't going to allow them to go back to superstition

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 2 points 2 years ago

I looked it up.

Horrifying. Dr. Barron, your report describes how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!

Man was such an atheist I'm mildly surprised he isn't more of a terminally online conservative. He's too pro-choice, though, so I think we're safe.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Dear Paramount: Doctor Twink and his boyfriend Fashion Lizard is a spinoff I would 100% watch every week.

Thank you.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Haha why do you guys call him Doctor Twink? The man was a horn dog, chasing tail on the daily.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not gonna lie, as a straight white man, I would watch a show called " Doctor Twink with his boyfriend fashion Lizard".

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[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They forgot Libertarian Alien who's there for comedic relief. His kooky libertarian plans reliably blow up in his face like Wile E. Coyote.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Quite woke of them to give representation to a conservative too. We wouldn't want to ignore any minorities. Not unless they shrink into nothingness. I hope.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Conservatism ... in DS9 they gave them an entire planet called Ferenginar.

I'm really loving the episodes with Brunt, Liquidator of the Ferengi Commerce Authority ..... if any being in the galaxy embodies taxation, it's Brunt. I love him because I absolutely hate him, a truly genius piece of character creation.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jeffrey Combs is the most underrated actor of the 90s.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Combs also said of Brunt, "He was the IRS guy from hell. He's the guy who just kept coming back to make your life miserable, audit after audit after audit. I can imagine that that would be pretty awful. He also typified to me the inflexibility of someone who thinks their way is the right way."

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[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The first interracial kiss on TV was between Kirk and Uhura in 1968. Star Trek is and always has been set in a time when humans have achieved a post-scarcity leftist utopian. Shit's been this way since way before your uncle started calling everything he doesn't like "woke" which was only like 4 years ago for the record.

Know what was really woke? Keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics. For real. I'm quoting this article lol.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

Wokeness is not the issue with disco, et al. It's terrible writing, poor science even for soft sci fi, and too many cringey moments.

I get that some people love it. But the emotional resolution porn is, to me, just icky.

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[–] tan00k@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Are we head canoning Kira as bi now or is she including mirror universe Kira in this? Or maybe I missed something in several watches.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Mirror Kira is only bold enough to do what regular Kira couldn't. We all know she thought about it.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

... Star Trek is and has always been woke. It's like the core feature of Star Trek

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ToS had the first interracial kiss shown on television. And then there was this entire episode.

[–] mdwhite999@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It wasn't the 1st interracial kiss on TV. By some metrics it was the 1st in the US but other countries had earlier kisses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

I think it's most notable for the conservative American censorship.

Being the first on American television was a significant achievement considering how they deal with censorship there. Americans have always been a bit stunted when it comes to accepting diversity.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Is Eddington communist himbo? Rom?

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[–] bblkargonaut@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The problem isnt woke, the problem is CW level writing. I've watched every episode of star Trek up to season 2 of Picard and the writers of discovery not understanding the speed of light, and it feel like the writers are just in qualified for their positions. It's so bad.

The writing for all the previous shows all had their highs and lows, but characters acted within their characterization and had genuine motivations. Picard season 1 was a rip off of mass effect and old man's war, with the facade Picard shoe horned in. Season 2 you have him chummy with a cold blooded murderer who faced no consequences.

I liked discovery for the first few seasons, but the plot holes, inconsistencies, and poor characterizations, left me feeling like watching the show was more habit or chore. I also never really felt like I got to know characters because their actions are so off the wall that you don't figure out the algorithms of their personality and motivations.

I honestly feel like lower decks has been the best Star Trek made in this new era, but I haven't seen brave new worlds yet or Picard season 3. I just needed a break after Picard season 2.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

SNW is much better. It's not a single story stretched to fit over a whole season helps a lot. It's definitely one of the best of new era Trek.

Season 3 of Picard is better than the first couple, but doesn't really add anything.

The stand out surprised at how god damned fucking good it is though is Prodigy. The first few episodes are a little bit childish, but after that it is excellent.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Colm Meaney was associated with Sinn Fein (formerly the political arm of the IRA) for a long time, so "Pro-Union Irishman" took me a minute.

[–] darkpanda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Let’s not forget:

  • The Kiss
  • white/black Riddler duking it out with black/white guy in an allegory to race relations
  • Abraham Lincoln calling Uhura a “a charming negress” followed by a brief discussion about the future’s take on linguistics and equality
  • the pilot episode had a woman named Number One who was so named because she was number one at everything she did. She excelled at all the things on the ship. A woman being better than men? Impossible. That’s woke.
  • the Enterprise and a bunch of klingons once showed up to a planet so woke they ended war and used space magic to make the humans and klingons also do no wars in their vicinity.
  • in another episode the Enterprise went to a planet that still had war but they calculated the results of battles using a video game console and then sent casualties to their death in a disintegration chamber and the Kirk blew up the video game console to force them to either negotiate or go back to actual war as a lesson in ignoring the Prime Directive directly.
  • there was a Nazi planet and the Nazis were the bad guys.
  • there was also a Yankee planet where they somehow independently wrote the Declaration of Independence in broken pidgin English and used it to defeat the Space Soviets.
  • the episode where Kirk and a woman exchange bodies was… not handled well and is not a good example.
  • the klingons were soviets, btw.
  • basically every episode of the original series had something “woke”, okay? It was literally the whole point of the series.
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