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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Im hearing: The other political party needs to stop our party, its being crazy ... this is why we did not vote for the other political party, so they can save us ... or something.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm hearing "holy shit, how are those dipshits so ineffectual? Why dont they use any of their power when they're the minority like mine does?".

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The answer is SCOTUS is compromised. They will favour GOP every time.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The republicans dont throw their hands up and go "well the SCOTUS/Parliamentarian/Manchin>might say no, so we cant do ", they do it anyway. When Greg Abott wanted to drown children in the Rio, did the fear the SCOTUS might request he stop after the 50th child prevent him from drowning dozens of children?

When the parliamentarian told W's cronies "no you cant just do infinite reconciliation bills to stop the dems from filibustering", they just fired him, like they are talking about with the current one.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The republicans dont throw their hands up

Why would they? They've got Supreme court in their pocket since last 4 years.

Honestly, what do you want Democrats to do? They have no power. Not even popular vote which Hillary had.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

The instances I am talking about, the republicans SCOTUS and parliamentarian and individuals breaking from the party were overcome, by doing the damage before the SCOTUS can stop you, or just ignoring the SCOTUS, firing the parliamentarian and department heads who play ball, etc. We know the minority party isnt powerless because we just saw the republicans get their way fir 4 years. We know that the executive doesnt need congress and can just ignore the SCOTUS because thats what we saw under Trump pt I and what we're seeing now.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Letting Trump run the country into the ground is the best way to get rid of the MAGAzis.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

No, because they'll immediately vote conservative the next chance they get anyway.

No amount of suffering will cure the vast majority of these people. They will be licking the boot even as it crushes their skull in their final moments.

Accelerationism has never proven to be an effective means of combatting conservatism.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

The billionaire disease remains, though.

[–] msfroh@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Ooh! There was an episode of the Past, Present, Future podcast a couple of months ago that touched on this very subject. Tariff policy was set by congress up until the Smoot-Hawley act, which was considered such garbage that they decided that it should be left to the executive.

Back when it was a congressional power, it was also the source of some of the worst horse-trading, as representatives from rural areas would seek protection on agricultural imports (with low tariffs on imported machinery), while representatives from manufacturing areas would seek to lower food prices and increase the cost of imported manufactured goods.

Edit: Not saying that handing it to the executive is the best plan, as we can see by what's going on now, but letting congress do it was also problematic. It's funny how a lot of us grew up with the idea that no/low tariffs are the natural order, when it's actually been a fairly short-lived anomaly in historical terms.

[–] HoopyFrood@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

I’m not sure that tariffs being a constant back and forth in congress is a bad thing

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So sick of conservatives breaking shit like children and then demanding liberals clean it up.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Too bad, unless we leave the country we will deal with it for the rest of our natural lives. Just that every cycle the average person comes out broker and broken

There's no getting rid of them now and the coming generation being any clue, it's only going to get worse over time

Imagine a world where disliking people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate publicly gets your family disappeared, because that's where we're heading despite a fucktonne of idiots coming after to say 'nuh uh!' like they always do.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

So sick of conservatives breaking shit like children and then demanding liberals clean it up.

So sick of the stupids breaking shit like children and then demanding normal people clean it up.

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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 97 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Trump: *shoots America with tariffs*

MAGA: why didn't the liberal minority in Congress stop this?

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I understand that this is sarcasm.

But you just watched Democrats hand over their best leverage by opting not to shut down Donald's government and voting with Republicans, so, they're not entirely wrong. We don't have legitimate opposition. We have a minority party performatively putting up a false pretense at opposition, sitting back, and watching their stock portfolios soar.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

by opting not to shut down Donald’s government and voting with Republicans

What are you talking about? Are you talking about a specific bill? Which one? All Dems voted against the 'huge hideous bill' (budget bill). Dems don't have the power/votes to 'shut down Donald's government'.

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[–] Darkard@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago

"I keep punching myself in the face! Why is Joe biden not stopping me!?"

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Pretty sure he's doing tariffs specifically because they aren't a tax. They aren't collected by the IRS, they're collected by Customs and Border Protection, which is a division of the Dept. of Homeland Security (just like ICE). And because the head of the DHS is such a loyal stooge, whatever god-king shitstain says goes

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think it comes down to 2 parts, one being that tarrifs is what were used prior to income tax in the U.S., the time when "robber barrons" thrived and could grow their wealth easily. So the heritage foundation is trying to drive down income taxes and reintroduce tarrifs so they can legally make as much money as possible while not having that money they pull in pay for America's well being. The second I believe is that the money starts in a separate pile, and ultimately goes to the treasury still, but previously since that "pile" had far less in it before it will look like the government is collecting a lot more money when directly comparing that pile to that pile over than last 50 years. So he can say he increased our revenue by bolognanumber% to show he is doing well, while ignoring that higher costs decreased purchases which in turn decrease states income from sales taxes. So states will make less, and be more dependent on the federal government. Which if the states don't fall in line, the federal government can/will disperse funds unevenly to states who don't lap the federal governments balls.

So it comes to a game of taking from the working class and states money/rights as much as possible to keep them fully dependent while growing insanely rich, but not pissed off enough to rebel, or if they do.. not have enough resources to be able too.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I thought tariffs went directly to Treasury.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

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https://web.archive.org/web/20250713072842/https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1ly12mh/trump_announces_30_tariffs_on_mexico_eu_starting/n2qg7u1/?context=3


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Post Title: Trump announces 30% tariffs on Mexico, EU starting August 1st

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agk927 Moderate Conservative -189 points 17 hours ago

It'll make us some money. I see no issue here

akbuilderthrowaway Heinlein 415 points 16 hours ago

... you do realize Americans pay the tax, right? This is a consumption tax on American for foreign goods. Other nations are not paying this tax. You are. This is a tax on Americans.

agk927 Moderate Conservative -280 points 16 hours ago

He wouldn't do it if it hurt us. Keep listening to the misinformation. There's 2 sides to every story

akbuilderthrowaway Heinlein 321 points 16 hours ago

Misinformation? Dude. Seriously. Open your fucking eyes. Importers aren't going to eat 25+% taxes out of the goodness of their hearts. It's going to get passed on to consumers.

I can call a spade a spade. Trump's tariff policy is awful. You can't, on one hand, spout out rhetoric about lowering taxes and then pull shit like this.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 3 days ago

He wouldn’t do it if it hurt us

lol

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (6 children)

i work for an importer. My family are all college educated. I still have to explain this to people who have business degrees who should know better. The single most important thing I do at work is make sure the taxes and tariffs are paid before the shipping container gets released from the ship.

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[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

The convoluted hill these morons made for themselves has actually been really satisfying. I hate these people and it’s good to know that it’s nothing but a total fucking mess inside their dumb little heads

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